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Beware, muppet alert

Postby P-K » Thu Oct 12, 2017 5:57 pm

Had a ride out to Hartside cafe today.
While there, I picked up a free copy of Motor Cycle Monthly.
I was gobsmacked by one of the letters in the legal advice section.
Hope I don't infringe copyright, but here is the question.
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Have a think of what "your" answer might have been.
Their answer,from their legal guy is the following :-
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I remain Gobsmacked.
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Re: Beware, muppet alert

Postby windmill john » Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:11 pm

Why are you gobsmacked!!!!!

Where do I start, the guy was over the speed limit.
He hit something in front because he couldn't put see it!
The rider is an idiot.
Full stop.
Do not defend him please!!!

You know when entering woodland you’ll get dappled light etc.
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Re: Beware, muppet alert

Postby boxerman » Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:13 pm

'It's never my fault' syndrome..
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Re: Beware, muppet alert

Postby P-K » Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:14 pm

Why are you gobsmacked!!!!!

Where do I start, the guy was over the speed limit.
He hit something in front because he couldn't put see it!
The rider is an idiot.
Full stop.
Do not defend him please!!!

You know when entering woodland you’ll get dappled light etc.
I am gobsmacked at the stupidity of the RIDER for even beginning to think he wasn't at fault.
I am gobsmacked at the stupidity of the RIDER for even thinking he had even the remotest case against the Transit driver.
Did I say anywhere I was defending him ? - not in the least. I think he's the Muppet
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Re: Beware, muppet alert

Postby milleplod » Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:16 pm

I was wondering if the letter was a wind-up.....is anyone really that stupid?? :-k

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Re: Beware, muppet alert

Postby windmill john » Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:37 pm

Maybe it’s just the youth of today, everything is owed to them, no responsibility. If it is genuine, can you imagine someone thinking like that.

Actually, if you watch the number of muppets on You Tube, it could be genuine.
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Re: Beware, muppet alert

Postby King Herald » Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:56 pm

The mantra of the millennia generation: I am not responsible, I am a victim, but some cash will make everything okay.
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Re: Beware, muppet alert

Postby DEEP DIVER » Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:58 pm

I wonder if he had a dark visor on at the time.
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Postby Dave Stapleton » Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:10 pm

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Re: Beware, muppet alert

Postby P-K » Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:32 pm

I wonder if he had a dark visor on at the time.
That was one of my thoughts, when I first read it.
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Re: Beware, muppet alert

Postby Pannier Down » Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:57 pm

Has the smell of b****hit to me. Seems like it's written for maximum effect.

Of course if it is real, Muppet is the wrong description.
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Re: Beware, muppet alert

Postby Bill Smithson » Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:45 am

Strange things do happen.
When I was on the bench, a motorcyclist was being prosecuted for not having a front brake on his bike. He pleaded Not Guilty to the charge and the case was tried by two others with me in the chair.

When pressed he argued that the bike did have a full braking system, albeit that the front caliper was in his pocket because he was testing the efficiency of the rear brake. No discount allowed for him wasting court time.

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Re: Beware, muppet alert

Postby windmill john » Fri Oct 13, 2017 6:57 am

I wouldn’t be surprised if the story was true.
You’ve probably seen those clips, the number of times a bike hits a car etc. and then the rider berates the driver when the fault is so obviously the biker’s.

Sorry P-K, didn’t mean to assume you supported him, jumped to a conclusion.

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Postby Dave Stapleton » Fri Oct 13, 2017 7:38 am

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Re: Beware, muppet alert

Postby ianl » Fri Oct 13, 2017 8:51 am

So if you have been riding motorcycles for 48 years and have been an instructor you are beyond having your views challenged or criticized?
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Re: Beware, muppet alert

Postby King Herald » Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:09 am

So if you have been riding motorcycles for 48 years and have been an instructor you are beyond having your views challenged or criticized?


I think he means he is speaking from the voice of long road experience, not as an 18 year old newbie with an SOA ‘cut’ on his back.
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Re: Beware, muppet alert

Postby P-K » Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:28 am

Sorry P-K, didn’t mean to assume you supported him, jumped to a conclusion.

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Re: Beware, muppet alert

Postby kent_instructor10 » Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:23 am

Whether the article is fact or fiction I cant say. It does seem to be hammed up for publication.

But the essence of the situation is an everyday occurance. Failing to react to a diminishing view and change in circumstances and not using a speed to be able to stop safely in the distance that can be seen to be clear. (Plus panic braking [-X )

There are many riders who ride in this way, (all makes and styles, not just new bmw riders :grin: !) and luck keeps them alive for most of the time. They keep doing it and their riding style goes unpunished until one day circumstances stack up and the crash occurs.

Interestingly, I frequently see students who can state the correct way to ride, have the theory and knowledge, but then ride completely in contrast with what they have said themselves. One thing saying it, quite another doing it!

Yet again locally to me there have been numerous fatal and serious motorcycles crashes in the last few weeks. I do not have the full details of what happened, and as bikers we are often quick to blame the other road user. But that attitude doesnt keep you alive, and often, as much as i hate to say it, bikers contribute to these awful situations.

Whether it be exuberance, lack of knowledge, ability or experience or a combination i dont know. Its great that we can read articles such as this and identify the "stupidity" of the situation. It seems one persons common sense is anothers rocket science ](*,)
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Re: Beware, muppet alert

Postby george baker » Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:54 am

Hi
surely made up, no one would say "only doing about 70 in a 50" would they?


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Re: Beware, muppet alert

Postby ianl » Fri Oct 13, 2017 1:23 pm

#-o Sorry Dave, didn't mean to offend! I guess my gripe was primarily the stereotyping of certain bike riders and as a GS rider I am getting a bit thin skinned as everyone seems to have an "opinion" of the typical GS rider of which, I can assure you, there isn't one. Grumble over :protest:
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Re: Beware, muppet alert

Postby windmill john » Fri Oct 13, 2017 6:27 pm

On a flip side, sort of, towns reducing their speed limits to 20 mph rather than stiffer penalties for bad drivers/riders/pedestrians etc.
Yes, 20 mph may reduce deaths, but I personally don’t think speed kills, I think idiots/not paying attention/selfish people kill.
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Re: Beware, muppet alert

Postby DEEP DIVER » Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:54 pm

I think idiots/not paying attention/selfish people kill.
Well said John.
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Re: Beware, muppet alert

Postby Sportster » Sat Oct 14, 2017 9:54 am

What's a "fast lane"? I search my Highway Code in vain to see a description.


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