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Water cooled boxers and GS's

Postby kent_instructor10 » Fri Jul 07, 2017 6:55 pm

So I recently had the pleasure of riding a few of bmw's latest offerings.

S1000XR, which was great fun but I'd like to keep my licence! I then rode the gs and gsa. Despite riding bmws since 1991 I had never ridden a gs. I loved them, I thought the 2017 gearbox and engine were great, apparently changes have been made for 2017 model year.

They really inspired me to want a gs, but I don't want to part with my rt and £15+k so a compromise seems to be a twin cam gs!

I really like the Rallye edition and the Triple Black, not sure which I prefer!

I would be interested to hear from those who have experience of twin cam boxers and have tried the LC boxers and whether you have a preference. I have seen some complaints about the LC already regarding quality.
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Re: Water cooled boxers and GS's

Postby Lolo » Sat Jul 08, 2017 12:03 pm

Loved my R1200gs broke my heart to sell it but it was keep it or retire early and sit around in the sun :-) Was generally very reliable and so comfortable on very long tours.
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Re: Water cooled boxers and GS's

Postby Rugbycoach » Mon Jul 10, 2017 10:57 am

Don't believe everything your readout problems and reliability! 500,000 gs owners cannot be wrong!!! I had a DOHC GSA did 70K with no problems. Now have an LC GSA with 10K to date no problem. I preferred the grunt of the DOHC over the LC which is much smoother and less vibbie.
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Re: Water cooled boxers and GS's

Postby raesewell » Mon Jul 10, 2017 11:10 am

I understand there is a recall for lots of GS's with a problematic front suspension.

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Re: Water cooled boxers and GS's

Postby kent_instructor10 » Mon Jul 10, 2017 7:29 pm

Thanks all ! I actually made a decision today, just ordered a 2012 GS Triple Black with 21k. I know it's the same engine as my R1200RT but I like it. No Jap or British bike makes me smile and gives me what I think I want!
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Re: Water cooled boxers and GS's

Postby Tango » Mon Jul 10, 2017 9:28 pm

A good choice, I like mine a lot too, and I also came from a 1200rt twincam.
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Re: Water cooled boxers and GS's

Postby Rugbycoach » Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:06 am

I understand there is a recall for lots of GS's with a problematic front suspension.
Rae the "problem" has been created by off roaders who bounce the front end into tree trunks boulders and other extreme off road activities. BMW are taking the sensible route and doing the recall safety. For those who do not abuse their bikes there has not been a problem. Mine is safe and sound. The issue was found in South Africa. How many FJR's in SA?
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Re: Water cooled boxers and GS's

Postby raesewell » Tue Jul 11, 2017 11:45 am

Just sayin' Colin, don't shoot the messenger, It's just something to be aware of :oops:
I have no idea how many FJRs there are in South Africa, but what does that have to do with BMWs problems?

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Re: Water cooled boxers and GS's

Postby kent_instructor10 » Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:04 pm

Well the GS arrived yesterday. Did about 40 miles after work. I can see why people love them. Was very pleased it didn't feel too similar to my RT despite the same engine. Power and sound are different enough to be enjoyable.

I did like the new LC but I am not sad to have the twin cam, and for about half the price.

Lovely bike and feels much lighter pushing around the shed!
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Re: Water cooled boxers and GS's

Postby Tango » Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:10 pm

Happy to hear you like it, exactly how I feel about mine.
I liked my RT, however, the GS feels like it's been set free of something.
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Re: Water cooled boxers and GS's

Postby andyb » Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:53 pm

I rode a 2017 GSA a few months ago and loved it. It was the low suspension model with standard seat and at 5ft 9" tall I could put both feet down and felt very secure on it. Weather protection was reasonable, obviously not like an RT, but acceptable. Lots of buttons to push. It did not feel too heavy, just BIG.
Negatives that surprised me were:
- massive crash into first gear when stationary....they all do that sir I was told. Wonder how long first gears will last?
- I could not get on with the flat angle of the handlebars. They are so wide and flat it made my arms ache. My present airhead has much narrower bars with a crank in them. Much more comfortable. And changing the GSA bars would not be easy without the replacements hitting the tank.
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Re: Water cooled boxers and GS's

Postby Melian » Fri Jul 28, 2017 7:58 am

Interesting. In the dim and very distant past I was always a fan of the big trailie and even considered the GS before I bought the RT. However, weather protection won the argument in favour of the RT. I might just have to get a test ride on a GS me thinks.


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Re: Water cooled boxers and GS's

Postby Rugbycoach » Fri Jul 28, 2017 10:04 am

The adventurer gives good weather protection. I went from the RT to GSA NO regrests 😍😍😍
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Re: Water cooled boxers and GS's

Postby Ruralman » Fri Jul 28, 2017 10:08 am

Riding my K1200rs the other day I was wondering why the K's gearbox is so smooth?
My other bike is a GSA, with the first gear crash.
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Re: Water cooled boxers and GS's

Postby kent_instructor10 » Fri Jul 28, 2017 3:30 pm

Strange things bmw gearboxes! Both my rt and gs are smooth, the gs more so. Engaging first gear doesnt clunk particularly, but on both i often have to bring the clutch to the bite whilst pressing the selector down to engage first. After that its all fine.

A bmw technician told me that they had put a lot of clutches in the new lc gs, and that the 2017MY was far better. He said that his preference would be a late twin cam over an early lc any day.

The rt certainly feels heavier (which it is) and has the definite planted comfortable tourer feeling. I still think the handling is excellent at slow or high speed.

The GS seems lighter and more spirited, almost encouraging to flick it about. Mine must be set up well, because the whole thing feels very smooth and responsive. I thought after falling for the character and performance of the GSA LC I might be a little sad I didnt splash out and go for it. But not at all, the twin cam is great.
I spent several hours today exploring rural roads just for the fun of it, the narrower and rougher the better! Thats not something i would have done on the RT. Its strange how a style of bike can seem to encourage certain rider behaviour; one reason i dont ride very light sporty machines with lots of power.

One of my mates who sat on it thought it was heavy, until it was upright, but he owns a new Africa Twin. I suppose it depends on what you are used to. As an aside, we often see complaints about BMW finish quality; his Africa Twin is less than six months old and is on its second set of wheels because the spokes went rusty, and the new ones have also gone already.

So after owning eight RT's over the years, Im very glad I discovered the joy of a GS. I still cant part with my RT though...
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Re: Water cooled boxers and GS's

Postby Tango » Fri Jul 28, 2017 3:50 pm

How odd, just read the specs on 1200GS Twincam, 199kg http://www.motorcyclenews.com/bike-revi ... 00gs/2004/
Africa twin 232kg http://www.motorcyclenews.com/bike-revi ... twin/2016/
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Re: Water cooled boxers and GS's

Postby Melian » Fri Jul 28, 2017 6:04 pm

After all that time and effort you've spent getting the RT just the way you want it I pleased to hear you're keeping it Phil.


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Re: Water cooled boxers and GS's

Postby kent_instructor10 » Fri Jul 28, 2017 7:02 pm

After all that time and effort you've spent getting the RT just the way you want it I pleased to hear you're keeping it Phil.
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