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Garage refurbishment

Postby Bill Smithson » Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:48 pm

I'm just about finished refurbishing my garage, new electric roller door, more shelves, painted the walls Brilliant White and bought myself a nice propane heater that lifts the temperature to a comfortable level in 15 minutes.
Now I'm thinking of a dehumidifier to stop any damp over the winter months.
Has anyone used one and are they any good?

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Re: Garage refurbishment

Postby CaptAirhead » Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:54 am

I bought one many years ago when I moved into what turned out to be a rather damp flat. Couldn't believe the amount of water that thing sucked up. Just make sure that you get one with a big enough capacity. Those dinky little one litre ones are not much good. I think mine was a 10 litre one.
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Re: Garage refurbishment

Postby Bill Smithson » Sat Dec 16, 2017 7:08 am

Thanks Ian, that's very helpful information.

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Re: Garage refurbishment

Postby windmill john » Sat Dec 16, 2017 9:07 am

Hi Bill,

I can highly recommend a dehumidifier.
We bought one due to dark marks in the corners of bedrooms, mostly a specific bedroom.
That bedroom is where our washing normally goes first.
In the last year or two since having the machine, superb.

We got a Dimplex. Even though I’m staring at it, I cannot remember the model.
About £100 to £120 if I recall.
The more you pay, the bigger the room they cope with and some models are quieter.
It is quieter than my shed extractor, but then again, chances are you’d have it on when not in the garage.

If you have a single garage, then our model will suit, no need to go bigger, just remember to empty it! Or rig up our own drain system.

Found the model number, Dimplex FTE10

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Re: Garage refurbishment

Postby DEEP DIVER » Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:25 am

We have 2 in the house, one on each floor. One think if you get the electronic type they will some times just keep running, both of ours do so we just run them for a few hours then turn them off. Helps to get rid of the damp on windows and after showers etc. It may help to if you lag the walls to keep the heat in, you only need around 2 inchs or use the foil lined bubble wrap, that stuff is very good.
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Re: Garage refurbishment

Postby DEEP DIVER » Sat Dec 16, 2017 1:19 pm

Just a quick one!!! With the propane heater or any heater which burns remember carbon monoxide gas build up.
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Re: Garage refurbishment

Postby Mike D » Sat Dec 16, 2017 4:47 pm

And naked flames with petrol fumes!

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Re: Garage refurbishment

Postby gogs01 » Sat Dec 16, 2017 9:27 pm

Surely a propane heater, or any heater which burns will tend to add humidity rather than act as a dehumidifier ?
An electric dehumidifier does put out a little heat, but it's not enough to warm a garage - it just removes water from the atmosphere.
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Re: Garage refurbishment

Postby ts » Sat Dec 16, 2017 9:33 pm

Dehumidifiers do work, and would be a very good supplement to the use of a propane heater*.

Some reading of different types here: http://www.pbo.co.uk/gear/alex-bell-tes ... rthy-17169

* for every kg of propane you burn, around 1.5 kg of water is produced
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Re: Garage refurbishment

Postby andymcg » Sun Dec 17, 2017 11:16 am

Dehumidifiers do work, and would be a very good supplement to the use of a propane heater*.

Some reading of different types here: http://www.pbo.co.uk/gear/alex-bell-tes ... rthy-17169

* for every kg of propane you burn, around 1.5 kg of water is produced
Dehumidifiers are very helpful.
I have a Screwfix one.
You also get free “distilled” water useful for steam irons and topping up car batteries.


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Re: Garage refurbishment

Postby Tango » Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:55 pm

Bill,

I have had one of these in my garage for the third year running,
https://www.appliancesdirect.co.uk/p/dd ... humidifier

it works hard in winter and gets a rest in the summer. Be prepared to empty the tank mostly every day in winter. It can be plumbed to dump the water outside if you would be happy to drill a hole in the wall for a 15mm tube.
As stated above propane gas heaters produce rather a lot of water. So alternative heat source would be advisable. The trick is to keep the relative humidity low enough to combat the dew point.
Here is a very useful tool.
http://www.dpcalc.org/

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Re: Garage refurbishment

Postby Bill Smithson » Sun Dec 17, 2017 10:42 pm

Thanks to everyone who posted replies and advice.
The heater worked well today lifting the early morning temperature from 2 C to 18 C over a couple of hours.

I only need heater on while I'm working in there, then use the dehumidifier when I pack in for the day and the heater is out.
The new roller door attracts a lot of condensation probably due to the construction. After Christmas I'll buy the dehumidifier. Currently Argos and Curry's are cheaper than Screwfix for the Dimplex FTE10.
Best wishes for Christmas and New Year.

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Re: Garage refurbishment

Postby george baker » Sun Dec 17, 2017 11:50 pm

hi bill
if it was me, and it may well be in 2018, i would consider kingsPan with foil coating, as tango says to keeP the due Point at a Place that stoPs condensation forming inside the garage

i can not do it, cos my outside garage wall is not sensibly accessible, but you could consider external cladding

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Re: Garage refurbishment

Postby CaptAirhead » Mon Dec 18, 2017 7:38 pm

Don't know if it is a practical solution for a garage but I lined my shed interior with foil backed foam strip which was cheap as chips in Aldi. It was intended to be fitted behind radiators and came in 10 metre rolls. I just tacked it on with a staple gun:-

ImageBuilding my shed 17. by Ian Beat, on Flickr

It is fragile stuff so should only be used if some sort of cladding is fitted on top. I used MDF:-

ImageBuilding my shed 19. by Ian Beat, on Flickr

Doesn't take long to fill it up:-

ImageBuilding my shed 31. by Ian Beat, on Flickr

I don't have a condensation problem any more. Unfortunately, I don't have the room or access for a garage!

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Re: Garage refurbishment

Postby george baker » Fri Dec 29, 2017 6:44 pm

hi
https://www.aldi.co.uk/turbo-fan-gas-sp ... 7095571000, 45 quid

talking to a mate about heating garages he said he didn't but used an infrared heater, which does not heat the garage but heats the Person, i think i will try that if i can find one cheaP enough

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Re: Garage refurbishment

Postby george baker » Fri Dec 29, 2017 7:27 pm

hi
interesting little lathe and drive ian, Please share where you got the motor and Pulleys, in 2018 i will need to find a drive for my unimat

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Re: Garage refurbishment

Postby Bill Smithson » Sat Dec 30, 2017 6:29 am

hi
https://www.aldi.co.uk/turbo-fan-gas-sp ... 7095571000, 45 quid

talking to a mate about heating garages he said he didn't but used an infrared heater, which does not heat the garage but heats the Person, i think i will try that if i can find one cheaP enough

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Hi George,
I'm selling mine now I have the propane heater. I've only used it twice from new and although it gives a lot of heat out it doesn't warm the garage, only the person in line with it. I'ts similar to this one listed listed below.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Freestanding ... SwiONYP4ba
If you are interested it's yours for £10 and i could take it to Hollins Green 2 weeks tomorrow.
Happy New Year.
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Re: Garage refurbishment

Postby CaptAirhead » Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:15 am

hi
interesting little lathe and drive ian, Please share where you got the motor and Pulleys, in 2018 i will need to find a drive for my unimat

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Hi George,
The lathe is an old watchmakers collet lathe with a lever tail stock to which I have since fitted a 50mm chuck:-
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The motor came with the lathe and is a Crompton Parkinson 1/4 HP. The pulley fitted to the motor is not a pulley at all.. it is a diamond wheel which drives a flat belt:-
ImageBuilding my shed 33. by Ian Beat, on Flickr
I've been meaning to turn out a proper pulley in aluminium so that I can use the diamond wheel as intended but just haven't had the time so far. As it stands, it works very well and I can get three speeds once I mount the motor on a rail ( when I get round to it).
Depending on what model Unimat, you can get a 90 to 110 watt motor ( approx 1/8 HP ) and a suitable pulley on eBay or you can check out RDG Tools: https://www.rdgtools.co.uk which is where I got my chuck and various lathe tools. They do stock Unimat pulleys.
100 - 180 Watt sewing machine motors are variable speed, quite cheap and can be adapted to fit the Unimat!
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Re: Garage refurbishment

Postby george baker » Tue Jan 02, 2018 6:55 pm

Hi
thanks Ian, I checked a sewing machine motor and it was only 28 watt, I must seek out a larger one and will look up pulleys.

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Re: Garage refurbishment

Postby george baker » Sun Jan 07, 2018 10:35 pm

Hi Bill
was it today I was supposed to meet you or next week?

If it was today I apologize for not being there

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Re: Garage refurbishment

Postby Bill Smithson » Sun Jan 07, 2018 10:48 pm

Thanks to everyone who posted replies and advice.
The heater worked well today lifting the early morning temperature from 2 C to 18 C over a couple of hours.

I only need heater on while I'm working in there, then use the dehumidifier when I pack in for the day and the heater is out.
The new roller door attracts a lot of condensation probably due to the construction. After Christmas I'll buy the dehumidifier. Currently Argos and Curry's are cheaper than Screwfix for the Dimplex FTE10.
Best wishes for Christmas and New Year.
Well after a lot of work the garage is finally finished regarding refurbishment. I bought a FUTURA dehumidifier which is a very neat design and works very well costing £109.95.
Now at last I have room to work on the R65LS (heated grips and Surefoot sidestand) then tackle the white elephant R27 which has been a fixture on the workbench for the last 4 years or so.

New electric roller door

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A year of inactivity.

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Some progress.

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New propane heater

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Room to work again.

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Re: Garage refurbishment

Postby george baker » Sun Jan 07, 2018 10:51 pm

Hi
I like the door, please tell me more about it
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Re: Garage refurbishment

Postby Bill Smithson » Sun Jan 07, 2018 10:56 pm

Hi Bill
was it today I was supposed to meet you or next week?

If it was today I apologize for not being there

George
Hi George,
It's next week at Hollins Green (Rixton). If you are interested in the oscillating heater I'll take it to the meeting.
The door is a top of the range model and I'll bring the brochures for that along as well.

PS. Robert Bensley will be at the meeting giving a report on his recent stay in a French hospital following a serious fall from a tree.

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Re: Garage refurbishment

Postby george baker » Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:36 pm

Hi
thanks Bill, I am not certain I will get there. I have somewhere else to go to that day, I could make both events but have agreed to take someone with me to the other place so may have to drag him along.

I will try to remember to update you before you load the car.

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Re: Garage refurbishment

Postby george baker » Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:50 pm

Hi Bill
dont bring the heater cos I am not sure I will get there.

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