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A dream...

Postby boxerman » Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:16 pm

Well, I think I need to look up a recipe for Blackberry wine.

Today a 50 year old dream came to fruition and I now own 5 1/2 acres of very neglected deciduous woodland. I reckon it's not been touched in 30 or 40 years and probably 4 1/2 acres is covered in bramble. I've actually had access for a few weeks and have been busy cutting some paths - I guess I can probably access around a third of it now so I'm now concentrating on cutting a clearing for home base and consolidating what paths I have before they disappear again. Need to take a couple of days away from grafting tho and send time Blackberry picking..
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Postby Ruralman » Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:29 pm

Congratulations Phil, enjoy!
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Re: A dream...

Postby Galactic Greyhound » Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:40 pm

That's great news Phil!

I'm very happy for you!

Can we expect some more wildlife/nature videos? :smile:
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Re: A dream...

Postby boxerman » Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:48 pm

Can we expect some more wildlife/nature videos? :smile:
In due course, I'm sure. So far the cams have caught a few Muntjac, one Roe deer, tail end of a fox, a blurry Badger and, I think, a snake (was so close it was out of focus). I've also heard and caught a fleeting glimpse of (they aren't reported in this area) what I'm 95% sure was a Raven! Oh, and a woodmouse after the remains of my sandwich..
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Postby King Herald » Wed Aug 23, 2017 7:34 am

Cool. Been daydreaming of something like that for years, with maybe a small shack in the middle for me to live in, peace and quiet, immersed in nature.
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Re: A dream...

Postby Bill Smithson » Wed Aug 23, 2017 7:56 am

An excellent way to enter retirement (of a sort!).
40 odd years ago I took on a derelict allotment that had been dumped full of builders rubble and glass. There was that much broken glass that I half-filled two 6' deep x 4' square pits just to get rid of it.
20 years later I had to give it up when we moved to Cumbria and I still miss all the produce and the enjoyment of it, although I couldn't tackle one now at 83.
Best wishes in your endeavours.

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Postby boxerman » Wed Aug 23, 2017 8:58 am

You'd be welcome to come and visit it, any time, Bill.
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Postby DEEP DIVER » Wed Aug 23, 2017 10:00 am

Phil be careful and don't eat to many blackberry's. I did a few years back while working on a site, they looked so big and juicy. About 1 hour later I know it and did a quick funny walk to the loo.
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Postby george baker » Wed Aug 23, 2017 11:02 am

hi
good news, how about getting a Pig or goat to clear the brambles

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Postby jfcoleman » Wed Aug 23, 2017 1:36 pm

And there was me thinking you were going to fashion your very own BM Riders Club off-road skills site! Enjoy it Phil, even if it does mean a lot of hard work to clear the ground.
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Re: A dream...

Postby george baker » Wed Aug 23, 2017 5:07 pm

hi
no jim

buy loads of decent cider and cheese
borrow some ground clearing tools
rent a Portaloo
buy another load of decent cider and some sausages
build a bbq
tell the club it is a free rally with games such as- root uP the bramble, dig a Pit, lay a hedge, Prune that tree etc

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Postby boxerman » Fri Aug 25, 2017 10:01 pm

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Two or three weeks ago when I was having a day just exploring (back couldn't stand any more work) I came across a couple of shallow pits - one about 15 - 20 foot dia and one maybe 10 - 15 feet and both maybe a couple of feet deep. On careful investigation I discovered part of a large cast iron ring around the top of the smaller one so a couple of days later went back with a trowel and tried to uncover more but one end has sunk so deep it needs major digging but I did discover part of another one over one end. I've since discovered various other heavy metal work in the area and am trying to figure what it may be. I do know that 1883 maps show an old limestone pit maybe 400 yards away and these pits are maybe 20 yards from a stream. Next year I'll have a major dig and see what I can find. It's just intriguing. Any ideas anyone?
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Postby boxerman » Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:05 pm

tell the club it is a free rally with games such as- root uP the bramble, dig a Pit, lay a hedge, Prune that tree etc
At the moment, George it's more a question free blackberry picking time - anyone welcome but you get 20 square yards and a hedge trimmer..
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Postby Bill Smithson » Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:46 pm

DSC_0022.JPGTwo or three weeks ago when I was having a day just exploring (back couldn't stand any more work) I came across a couple of shallow pits - one about 15 - 20 foot dia and one maybe 10 - 15 feet and both maybe a couple of feet deep. On careful investigation I discovered part of a large cast iron ring around the top of the smaller one so a couple of days later went back with a trowel and tried to uncover more but one end has sunk so deep it needs major digging but I did discover part of another one over one end. I've since discovered various other heavy metal work in the area and am trying to figure what it may be. I do know that 1883 maps show an old limestone pit maybe 400 yards away and these pits are maybe 20 yards from a stream. Next year I'll have a major dig and see what I can find. It's just intriguing. Any ideas anyone?
Being a bit circular hey could have been travel rings for a swivel crane to lift material out the pit with a jib.

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Re: A dream...

Postby Galactic Greyhound » Sat Aug 26, 2017 12:11 am

Hi Phil,

It could be as you suggest that the ironwork is part of a firepit or kiln for the burning of Limestone to produce Quicklime.

Your woodland could have been the source of the fuel used for this process and the stream would supply water to convert the Quicklime into Slaked Lime for building purposes:

Limestone + Heat = Quicklime (Calcium Oxide) + Carbon Dioxide.
Quicklime (Calcium Oxide) + Water = Slaked Lime (Calcium Hydroxide) + Heat.

Are there any nearby Limestone Quarries and possible road/track from them to your site?

There may also have been machinery on-site to reduce the rough Limestone rocks brought in from the Quarry before burning them in a pit/kiln.
Likewise the Quicklime chunks produced may have been further rendered down to a much finer degree by other machinery before slaking.
This would be a hazardous operation as the Quicklime dust can cause blindness and damage to lungs.
The slaking process is also hazardous as it can cause the temperature of the Quicklime to increase rapidly such that combustible materials e.g. clothing, can be ignited or burns caused to skin.

If you are digging down into what you think may be an old Lime Kiln/Firepit, be very careful that the ground beneath you is actually solid and does not collapse. You might use a safety line and a long thin steel rod to probe the ground for cavities.
It is likely with the long passage of time since last use that any Quicklime remaining would be carbonated and rendered safe by natural slaking but be aware and cautious!

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Postby boxerman » Sat Aug 26, 2017 9:33 am

Thanks both for the suggestions. The Lime kiln idea would make sense - I was thinking more of a traditional charcoal kiln but the bit that looks like a pump kind of kills that.. The pits are maybe 20 yards from a water source and just off a ride that runs directly to the area of the old limestone pit that's about 400 yards away and apparently the locals call the area around the quarry 'the lime kilns'. Yes, Ced, I haven't dared to step in a pit for fear of what may be underneath and when I do have a proper excavation I'll have someone with me and ropes to hand. I'll let you all know what I find in due course but it probably won't be until next summer.
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Postby Galactic Greyhound » Sat Aug 26, 2017 10:35 am

It might be useful to contact the local archeological society to see if they would be interested in helping with your find.
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Postby IanB » Sat Aug 26, 2017 11:44 am

Ced is right, but traditional lime "flare" kilns would normally be built above ground as you need to remove the burned quicklime from the bottom - the result is normally a pretty substantial masonry structure (very little metalwork wanted or required). OTOH, lime was often slaked in pits to make putty for plastering work - and in ancient Roman times it was a criminal offence to sell lime putty which had been matured for less than three years. However, lime putty is really only a plasterers material - most other users, from brickies to farmers, would have bought the lime as lump for self-slaking, avoiding the need to transport water. Many plasterers would actually have slaked their own as well, so this does seem a little unusual.

Check out local history and geology - there is probably a local industrial archaeology group who can help you. Old maps are also a good place to start, as well as old business directories (local history library).

At the risk of looking extremely smarmy, you might find the book I produced for the Building Limes Forum helpful... https://www.amazon.co.uk/Building-Limes ... 1873394950 :grin: :grin: (You can probably get hold of it through inter-library loan). Did I mention this is one of my favourite subjects??
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Re: A dream...

Postby Galactic Greyhound » Sat Aug 26, 2017 1:05 pm

Hi Ian,

That looks a very interesting book that you have produced!

I first became interested in Lime about 17 years ago when I took on the restoration and removation of a listed derelict stables complex built in 1810.

This is still an ongoing project and will be until I am in my box!

For rebuilding random rubble stonework I have standardised on:
1 part Hydrated Lime.
1 part Portland cement.
6 parts coarse sand containing grit up to 2mm.

For pointing work I use the same but will sometimes use a coarse sand with smaller grit.

The practice of using Portland cement in a Lime mortar mix was used traditionally I believe to ensure hardening when too 'pure' modern Lime was used which lacked the original impurities (Pozzilans ?) in the older traditional Lime which permitted faster hardening.

It seems to work for me anyway!

The old property is full of surprises ... and hidden dangers!
It was a little while before I discovered that the spot where I worked with my cement mixer was on top of a very large 6 inch thick rectangular slab.

Curiosity got the better of me and, with assistance, the slab was lifted to reveal a circular sandstone-lined shaft, 3 feet in diameter, 13 feet deep and with 2 feet of crystal clear water at its sandy bottom - a Well !

I was glad the cap-stone was still in good condition!

A 2-inch lead pipe came underground from the well towards a derelict building I believe was an old Coach-House.
I think that there was likely an old iron Water Pump outside of this at one time.

The horses (10 stalls spread over two wings) were normally supplied with rainwater collected from the roofs and stored in tanks in a Tower between the stable wings so the Well was likely used as back-up in times of drought.
Above the stable wings were haylofts and above the water tanks in the Tower was a Dovecote.
Below the Tower water tanks was a cobbled Pend to permit access to the inner cobbled courtyard and cartshed.

I shall keep an eye out for your book - well done on writing it!
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Postby IanB » Sat Aug 26, 2017 3:38 pm

Hi Ced - sounds like an interesting project. I don't really do this stuff for a living anymore, but it brings back memories. I do love the process of discovery in old buildings.

I don't think one would normally go for a Portland cement based mortar nowadays - best practice would be to try to replicate the original mortar as closely as possible, and Portland cement only became commercially available in 1845. There is now a wide range of hydraulic lime mortars which would normally be first choice. The problem is that modern cement is really nothing like even the original (nor even the 1945 version!). It is now so strong it can cause real problems, particularly as it usually has around 25% calcium sulphate in it to retard the set - this is soluble, so significant salt problems can occur which cause damp problems and damage in surrounding materials. Really, Portland cement is now designed primarily for reinforced concrete work, and the qualities which make it good for that actually make it bad for masonry - even on new buildings.

Poor Phil - we've hijacked his dream!!! :sad:
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Re: A dream...

Postby mike pace » Sat Aug 26, 2017 5:01 pm

I would love to own a wood Phil. Is it far from your house?
Any plans for a caravan there?

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Postby boxerman » Sat Aug 26, 2017 8:10 pm

It's 18 miles door to door and takes 30 minutes - means it's viable to go every day should the urge arise. At the moment I'm going maybe 4 - 5 times a week but my back needs a break every now and then. Haven't been for a couple of days but going down tomorrow for a lazy day of blackberry picking instead of work - must find that recipe for Blackberry wine!!

At the moment I'd struggle to find the space for a tent. A small caravan would be lovely but I'd probably need to fell 20 trees to get one it so it'll be a small shelter somewhere in due course.

As you're not too far away you'd be welcome to arrange a visit with me sometime.
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Postby Bill Smithson » Sat Aug 26, 2017 8:51 pm

Haven't been for a couple of days but going down tomorrow for a lazy day of blackberry picking instead of work - must find that recipe for Blackberry wine!!
Hi Phil,
I was a keen amateur winemaker in the early 1960's right up to the time the breathalyser was introduced. Racking off and sampling 20 gallons of various wines before starting out for a 3 to 11 shift was not a good idea.
A close neighbour had a disaster which caused him a lot of grief when his loft floor collapsed into the bedrooms below due to the weight of wine he'd made. I still grow a thornless blackberry in the back garden from a cutting taken from a Ken Muir plant I bought about 35 years ago. It's a good cropper that gives us enough to eat or freeze for quite a few months.
Here''s an easy enough recipe to follow.

http://allrecipes.co.uk/recipe/35468/bl ... -wine.aspx

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Postby boxerman » Sat Aug 26, 2017 8:59 pm

Thanks for that Bill. Have most equipment in stock from another brew I do.
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Re: A dream...

Postby george baker » Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:21 am

Hi
I still grow a thornless blackberry in the back garden
I had one of those but they are Promiscuous, so their offspring crop up from time to time, same leaf but thorny, but never the otherway



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