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Looking for a R120RT

Postby Pete » Thu Mar 02, 2017 9:33 am

Hi Guys,
I currently have a R100R and post regularly in the airhead section but this is my first post here.
Recently sold my R65LS & BSA B50SS and now looking for a modern touring bike to compliment the R100R.

There are two contenders: the aforementioned R120RT & (slightly embarrassed to say here) a shaft drive Triumph Trophy.
I am looking to spend a maximum of around £7k, which nearly excludes the Trophy, but there appears to be plenty of R120's that may well tick the box.

My question is, is there some models/years I should avoid? What should i lookout for?
I have read about very expensive ABS and drive shaft/paralever problems?

Any guidance would be very appreciated.
The last thing I need is to streach to buy a nice bike then shortly after have to spend a fortune to get it sorted!

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Re: Looking for a R120RT

Postby Tango » Thu Mar 02, 2017 10:26 am

Your budget should find you a nice Twin cam R1200RT SE. The SE version has most of the whistles and bells should you want them. I think stereo was extra.
The Twin cam for many is the best engine produced so far. Fitted between 2010 to 2013 for the RT.

Best was the 2013 anniversary model if you can find one.

The early 2010 models had the older model forks ( corrosion prone), which are OK but the later forks are better IMO.

You will have avoided most of the problem abs machines after with this model year.

There are still low mileage full history bikes out there, and worth waiting for the right one.

Can't speak for the water cooled as not ridden one. And probably over budget anyway.

Check out the weight of the Trophy and seat heights, compared to RT. :grin:

I enjoyed my 2010 RT and only recently parted with it for a slightly later GS.
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Re: Looking for a R120RT

Postby Tony the Skin » Thu Mar 02, 2017 11:32 am

Martin was your Twin Cam R1200 what is also known as the Hexhead?
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Re: Looking for a R120RT

Postby Tango » Thu Mar 02, 2017 11:45 am

Hi Tony,
It's a point of debate, for some hexhead was the single cam 1200 engine, some group them together, others refer to the Twin cam as Twin cam.

A quick visual of the cam covers shows the older SC engine with a fastener in each corner, the TC has only two each side across the center.

As a point of interest, for me anyway, so far unexplained, the new heritage range has the Twin cam engine installed, and not the Wet head???

How odd!!
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Re: Looking for a R120RT

Postby Pete » Thu Mar 02, 2017 11:52 am

Thanks Marty,

That's valuable information.
Read an article comparing the two and the only noticeable difference stated was that low speed handling was better on the BM due to a lower centre of gravity.
The Trophy only have shaft drive (I hate chains!) after 2013 which puts most available machines just outside my price range. Being a BM lover swings me towards the R120RT but nervous at buying someone's problems, although happy to tackle any mechanical problem, electronics is beyond me and the modern bikes are packed with it. My BSA never had that problem!
Your info is a great help, anything else I should look for?

Tempted to go to a dealer, at least I would get a short warranty for peace of mind, even if not the best value for money, or am I wrong here?

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Re: Looking for a R120RT

Postby Melian » Thu Mar 02, 2017 12:14 pm

Hi Pete

I have had a 2008 R1200RTP, converted back to civi spec, for a couple of years with no problems other than a fuel strip failure. It currently has 59k miles on the clock and runs sweet as a nut. It's easy to work on as well, I do my own servicing. My brother has a Trophy SE. By comparison the RT is light with a very much lower centre of gravity which I like. I also like the boxer twin better than the triple but, it has to be said, the triple on song is a thing of beauty. The Triumph is beyond question a great bike but I still prefer the RT. You won't go wrong with either, just make sure the warranty work has been done if you go for the Triumph. Little brother had nearly an entire bottom end replaced on a factory recall. Oh and don't expect to do your own servicing on the Triumph, it's a bitch for that.


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Re: Looking for a R120RT

Postby Tango » Thu Mar 02, 2017 12:19 pm

Check for corrosion on Forks mainly the 2010 as stated. Also they can suffer corrosion on the front timing cover less so on gearbox and final drive assembly, the Gs suffers more from this, less protection I guess. Look under the seats at frame paintwork as well.
I would agree with you about buying from a franchised dealer, they were giving two years warranty late last year, worth checking, and paying for peace of mind IMO.
Switch gear was weak in the early days, and also the exhaust noise reduction flapy valve thingy. Although they generally stick open and bike sounds throatier :grin:

I would have a word with your local dealer, there may well be some good examples being traded at the moment New reg etc.

Good luck with your search and research. :smile:
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Re: Looking for a R120RT

Postby Tango » Thu Mar 02, 2017 12:25 pm

If your prepared to travel a bit there are some bargains about :wink:

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Re: Looking for a R120RT

Postby Tango » Thu Mar 02, 2017 12:28 pm

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Re: Looking for a R120RT

Postby Tango » Thu Mar 02, 2017 12:56 pm

OOps last two posts in wrong thread sorry for confusion ](*,)

Maybe admin can remove?
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Re: Looking for a R120RT

Postby Tango » Thu Mar 02, 2017 1:03 pm

Anyway onwards and upwards,

Also worth ringing BMW Motorrad insurance services, when you have some details on a possible purchase, If it meets the criteria they will issue a 12 month warranty for around £380 £400.

I was quoted this on my GS which I purchased from non franchised dealer. Still thinking about it.
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Re: Looking for a R120RT

Postby kent_instructor10 » Thu Mar 02, 2017 7:20 pm

Im on my third R1200RT, first was an 07RTp, then an 08RTP, now a twin cam 2013 SE. They progressively got better!

08 had fuel pump controller, fuel strip and rear bearings fail.

2013 has a little corrosion on front of engine, footrest hangers and some of the support brackets despite being loved. Screen switch got a bit sticky but got over it without replacement (wd40!). Had a rattly cam chain tensioner replaced under warranty. Left cam chain tensioner bolt caused a slight oil leak but dealt with. The exhaust flap valve stuck (as usual), so I disconnected the plug and left it in the open position. Rides much better, I wasnt paying £300ish for a new one, and BMW said that it wasnt covered under warranty. Wunderlich do a straight through tube to replace this valve if you wish.

I love this bike for comfort, equipment, performance and handling and all round usability. A good late twin cam would make a pleasing machine if you like the R1200RT.
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Re: Looking for a R120RT

Postby Pete » Sat Mar 04, 2017 10:27 pm

Hi Guys,

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like a 2011 onwards twin cam is going to be my best option!
As I'm not familiar with the foibles of these models, I might ask if there is anyone near or in Fife who might be prepared to go with me to look at a bike whether private or from a dealer. I'm concerned that I buy a machine with problems! From looking at various postings, they look like reliable machines but very expensive to fix if something is wrong and a good reason for someone to sell if they know a bike has an expensive fault.
From the bikes I have seen advertised, the dealer prices are not too bad compared to private sellers who appear to be asking top dollar! (I would!)
Having never bought a bike from a dealer or BM franchise, is there ever much flexibility with their asking prices?
Any recommendations of good garages?

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Re: Looking for a R120RT

Postby gogs01 » Sun Mar 05, 2017 4:34 pm

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I've bought (mostly new) bikes from John Clark in Dundee and from Motorrad Central in Dalkeith. Both pleasant enough to deal with, but I can't say how flexible they might be with pricing. It never hurts to ask, but if you're interested in accessories or clothing I'm pretty sure they would be offered at a good price to ensure a sale. I guess you need to do your research to help decide what you're prepared to pay for any given bike - not something I've been very good at ! Much easier to buy with the heart than the head. :oops:
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Re: Looking for a R120RT

Postby Pete » Sun Mar 19, 2017 8:03 am

Oh dear, a confession!! I have bought a Triumph Sprint!
Looked at R120RT's but everything 2011 or younger (the age group I was looking for) was £7500 + and that was private, not through a dealer who would have given me a short warranty, another requirement of mine. But this was out of my price range, sadly. Anything that did look like it could be in the ball park was far far away from Scotland as well!
The Triumph Sprint GT is a 2015 with 3000 miles from a local garage and was under my maximum spend.
My R100R will still be the prize bike with the Triumph being the touring workhorse.
Hope you will all still talk to me, especially as my Wife & I plan to join you all for the day & meal on the Saturday of the Wales trip in May. Part of a trip that will take us to Anglesey then over to Dublin, a tour round the north west of Ireland then back to Scotland.

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Re: Looking for a R120RT

Postby Melian » Sun Mar 19, 2017 8:35 am

Oh the shame !

I do like triples though and according to a mate who had one the Sprint is a great bike. Enjoy.


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Re: Looking for a R120RT

Postby Tango » Sun Mar 19, 2017 10:41 am

Hi Pete,
Hope you enjoy the new bike, and look forward to meeting all three of you in Wales. :drunken:
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Re: Looking for a R120RT

Postby george baker » Sun Mar 19, 2017 11:47 am

Hi
Pete, are you coming along on the Saturday and then going "home" to your local accommodation or are you camping?

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Re: Looking for a R120RT

Postby Pete » Sun Mar 19, 2017 1:39 pm

Hi George, the plan is to break the ride down to our friends in Church Stretton with an overnight stay around the Lakeside on the Thursday night then continue to CS avoiding motorways on the Friday.
Ride over to meet up with you all on the Saturday and dine with you in the evening before spending the night back with our friends in CS. Then head off to Anglesey on the Sunday for the ferry to Dublin.

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Re: Looking for a R120RT

Postby gogs01 » Mon Mar 20, 2017 6:04 pm

Oh dear, a confession!! I have bought a Triumph Sprint!
Looked at R120RT's but everything 2011 or younger (the age group I was looking for) was £7500 + and that was private, not through a dealer who would have given me a short warranty, another requirement of mine. But this was out of my price range, sadly. Anything that did look like it could be in the ball park was far far away from Scotland as well!
The Triumph Sprint GT is a 2015 with 3000 miles from a local garage and was under my maximum spend. .....
Cheers, Pete
Typical Fifer, going for the value option ! :grin:

You'll love the Sprint - very different to the RT, but it will take you, your pillion and all the luggage you need anywhere you want to go. I test rode a Sprint ST and liked it, but felt it was too much like a sports bike for what I wanted. Great bike though.

Maybe see you and the GT at a meet this year. :cool:
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Re: Looking for a R120RT

Postby kent_instructor10 » Mon Mar 20, 2017 7:24 pm

Good stuff, hope you enjoy it, I started to look at them but was unsure of riding position and couldn't find one locally. Great bike and value by the looks of it though. I'd like to see a photo if you get chance please!
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