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Which K should I buy?

Postby Jakedoughty » Sun Jan 07, 2018 3:09 pm

Hello I'm New here and thinking of buying a second-hand BMW.The two bikes I'm looking at are a 09 K1300 GT or a 2010 K1300S both bikes have 30,000 miles on them.Both bikes are local to me.The bikes are both priced about the same,although I can get a better deal on the S.

I'm 57 years old recently widowed with a 13 year old son,who I hope to be taking on some long weekends away,he loves motorbikes !

At the moment I ride a 650 Kawasaki which is great for flicking down B roads,but not so good for two up touring.
I'm looking for input from anyone with experience from either of these bikes.

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Re: Which K should I buy?

Postby raesewell » Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:29 pm

Whichever one you choose make sure you have and maintain the extended warranty, a must for these bikes.

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Re: Which K should I buy?

Postby Jakedoughty » Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:49 pm

Extended warranty? These bikes are 8 years old. How much does it cost? How reliable are these bikes?

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Re: Which K should I buy?

Postby george baker » Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:51 pm

Hi
a hard choice, if you are equally comfortable on each (the sportier bikes from BMW usually have more weight on the wrists, back, bum etc) then it comes down to condition, gizmos, deal you can get

Is there a service history with each?
When was the last service?
What are the tyres like?
Has the vosa recall been completed?
Do all the locks work? With one key
Is there an alarm? Do you want an alarm?

Do they cost the same to insure?

Can you take each bike for a weekend test ride?

Even if you can get a much better deal on the purchase price of one you may pay more in the mid term.

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Re: Which K should I buy?

Postby Jakedoughty » Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:45 pm

I would get a better deal on the S,but there's only £300 in it. The GT is more comfortable and is easier for my passenger to mount. The GT has cavernous top box and pannniers,heated seats,cruise control and loads of other goodies.
They both share the same engine,but in different states of tune.
I think I might try haggling a bit more on the GT.

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Re: Which K should I buy?

Postby milleplod » Sun Jan 07, 2018 10:04 pm

If you're going to be carrying a pillion regularly, I'd go for the GT over the S every time - more room, comfier, more luggage capacity.

They're both fairly hefty bikes, but I once rode a 1200GT and, once on the move, it didn't feel anywhere near as heavy as I thought it would. I owned a K1200R-Sport for 3 years, a bit more relaxed riding position than the S, but identical-ish running gear. To be honest, I never really bonded with it, despite racking up a fair few miles. The engine was very vibey/buzzy - the 1300 may well be better, of course. They're a bike that can land you with rather large bills should stuff start playing up - ABS is a fairly common failure, as is ESA (the electric suspension adjustment), and at 30k miles, those two bikes might be coming up to some bills! Having said that, you read more about failures on forums than about event-free ownership, and there must be a lot of owners whos bikes rack up many miles without an issue.

Unless you buy from a BMW dealer, or drop on a bike where the owner has kept up the BMW extended warranty, which is transferable to a new owner, you're obviously on your own if anything goes wrong. ABS, I think, can be removed from K BMWs, as it can the R models - one or two of the independent specialists will do it. ESA can be swapped to standard, manually-adjustable units - it can also be reconditioned, but I think its pricey. Its a case of going into it with your eyes open - BMWs aren't necessarily any worse than other bikes out there, but don't think they're immune from problems because of the badge!

Had you thought of an RT at all? Lots to pick from, very, very capable, very comfy, available with as many toys as the K, easy to home service if that's your thing (the K isn't!)...the list of positives goes on! :smile:

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Re: Which K should I buy?

Postby george baker » Sun Jan 07, 2018 10:46 pm

Hi
300 quid saved seems quite good NOW, but after 250 miles with your bails crushed into the tank.......especially if you have the rest of the week to endure the ride

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Re: Which K should I buy?

Postby Jakedoughty » Sun Jan 07, 2018 10:57 pm

Thanks for the advice milleplod. It's just that these bikes have come up local that they have caught my attention. It sounds like all these gizmos that give the problems. My old R100RS never let me down despite it being 20 years old at the time. It did leak oil though. What price progress ?

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Re: Which K should I buy?

Postby milleplod » Sun Jan 07, 2018 11:10 pm

Thanks for the advice milleplod. It's just that these bikes have come up local that they have caught my attention. It sounds like all these gizmos that give the problems. My old R100RS never let me down despite it being 20 years old at the time. It did leak oil though. What price progress ?
Yep, good old progress eh! :-k

My bike of choice for what you're going to be doing would be the R1200RT, definitely! The boxer engine is just as reliable as your airhead was - I'd argue that the K engines simply aren't. Although the same layout as your RS, the RT engine's way, way ahead of it. Have a ride on the GT if you can, then try to get a go on an RT - I reckon you'd prefer the boxer! :smile:

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Re: Which K should I buy?

Postby milleplod » Mon Jan 08, 2018 8:48 am

I meant to say also that, of course, you can find bikes without ABS or ESA, although a non-ABS bike might be hard to track down. When I bought my 1200ST, I'd purposely looked for one without either to prevent potentially big bills as my ownership progressed! 5 years down the line and I've just replaced the rear suspension unit with one from Shock Factory for £350, as the original was feeling tired after 30k miles. I'll change the front (£200) for a SF one in the spring.

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Re: Which K should I buy?

Postby SteveD » Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:23 am

IMO a regular and up to date service record is very important, but like with any purchase you can get lucky or otherwise.
It'd be a rare 1300 without the ABS. Good advice above. Ensure the ABS flushes have been religiously done.
At 30Kmiles the suspension is 3/4 done, depending on use/abuse previously.
Personally, I'd go look for a pristine R100RS!
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Re: Which K should I buy?

Postby Jakedoughty » Mon Jan 08, 2018 3:24 pm

The decision is a bit easier now. The S is sold and I prefer the GTs anyway. I have been doing some searching on here and there does seem to be a question mark over reliability. I will be asking a few questions myself tomorrow. Still it is a lovely bike and very comfy.It seems a lot of bike for the money.

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Re: Which K should I buy?

Postby milleplod » Mon Jan 08, 2018 5:08 pm

Is it a private sale or at a dealers? Wherever it is, make sure you go in with a really low bid if you're dead-set on having it - they're not the easiest thing to sell! :grin: If I was in a dealer's looking at a 30k miles '09 plate, I'd not want to part with any more than £4700 for it, obviously a fair bit less if it was a private sale. Bear in mind that, if it has a bang-up-to-date BMW service history, you can probably get BMW's insured warranty put onto it, it can be put on a bike with up to 100k miles recorded...it covers the ABS but excludes suspension units older than 30k miles - but they'll not touch a bike without a proper history. If the book's up to date, give them a call (03456419791), or you can get a quote online - you can pay monthy too. Reckon on around £350 ish a year, including BMW's excellent emergency service cover.

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Re: Which K should I buy?

Postby Jakedoughty » Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:46 pm

Does it need to be serviced at a BMW dealer for that extended warranty. I can't believe 3000 miles is considered high mileage. My cars done that in less than three years.
These are touring bikes!
It wouldn't bother me paying out for a new rear suspension in a year I can budget for that. Am I right in believing most of the problems are electrical or electronic?

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Re: Which K should I buy?

Postby milleplod » Mon Jan 08, 2018 8:23 pm

Does it need to be serviced at a BMW dealer for that extended warranty. I can't believe 3000 miles is considered high mileage. My cars done that in less than three years.
These are touring bikes!
It wouldn't bother me paying out for a new rear suspension in a year I can budget for that. Am I right in believing most of the problems are electrical or electronic?
I think you'd be better asking BMW, their answer will be definitive. From memory though, documented services at a VAT-registered workshop are acceptable, as long as you can show that either genuine BMW parts, or equivalent-quality ones, have been used.

30k miles isn't much really, is it! I'm pretty sure suspension is the only component limited to that though. Take a look here for the details - https://www.motorrad-warranty.co.uk/Warranty.

From what I've picked up during my ownership, usually via this and other BMW forums, I think its fair to say that yes, electronic stuff can play up. Other 'weak spots' are the fuel strip (the gadget in the tank that sends the level to the gauge) - they're notorious for failing, I've just had mine replaced at a cost of around £180, and its not diy as it has to be programmed to the bike.....and I'm told it could fail again at any time, they're such a poor design/of poor quality. Rear drive units can be a weak spot on some bikes, evidenced by lateral play in the rear wheel - lots of info online, particularly on UKGSer. They can be rebuilt, around £500 I think. Fuel pump controllers are known to fail too, so common a fault that some (me included!) carry a used spare - a simple enough fix once the plastics are off. Don't be put off though! I'm sure other manufacturers' bikes have issues! :lol:

If I had my heart set on a K, I'd make sure that it had a full history, and that BMW would accept it onto their warranty. I'd then budget £700 ish and pay for 2 years of cover - its not cheap, but it would help put my mind at rest no end! :grin:

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Re: Which K should I buy?

Postby Jakedoughty » Mon Jan 08, 2018 8:47 pm

Thank you very much for the advice.£350 for piece of mind is probably worth it. It's not to bad budgeting for a service,although an unexpected bill of say £500 is hard to swallow. I think the main problem would be diagnosing the problem in the first place.

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Re: Which K should I buy?

Postby milleplod » Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:01 pm

There are quite a few highly-regarded independent specialists around, so you're not stuck with BMW dealers. The amount of info available on here, and the other BMW forums, is tremendous....and free! If a problem crops up, invariably someone else will have had it - the Euro K-Club forum has as much info on it as you could ever need. Diagnosis via biker chums....fixing via indy guy! :smile:

Are you sure you don't fancy an RT instead..... :lol: Not that they're perfect, of course, they still have the weak spots, but they're a damn sight simpler to work on at home (I self-service every year, it costs me around £60/70 in parts, it would be less but I do everything even though it doesn't really need it) and there's a lot more of them out there to pick from.

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Re: Which K should I buy?

Postby Jakedoughty » Mon Jan 08, 2018 10:44 pm

There is a nice RT for sale at Leicester Kawasaki and my trade in is a 650 Kawasaki.

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Re: Which K should I buy?

Postby milleplod » Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:20 pm

There is a nice RT for sale at Leicester Kawasaki and my trade in is a 650 Kawasaki.
That's handy! :smile:

Just had a look at the RT. It looks OK, although the photos aren't the best. Front disc bolts are manky, if they bother you I reckon they're £80 a set from '07 onwards, perhaps the same again for the associated bobbins and washers. I'd check the front engine cover for corrosion - not the plastic cover that hides the alternator belt, the metal cover that that fits up to, some really look bad, the black paint peeling off and exposing the manky alloy under it. Its sortable though - a lot of owners use paint stripper or Dremel and then re-paint it themselves, as fitting a new part involves removing the bottom pulley, and there's an oil seal in there somewhere too! Rear drive servicing is much easier on an '09 bike as the drain plug is at the bottom - that might sound odd, as that's where it should be, of course, but earlier bikes (mine!) have it anywhere but at the bottom, making oil changes a bit more involved! :evil:

If its got ESA, make sure it works! Cycle it through the settings, see if the units do their thing. If you've not ridden a boxer before, you might need a bit longer than a 30-minute ride to get used to it, but they're a lovely thing once you're accustomed to how they feel and perform. I've given thought many times to swapping my ST (same running gear as the RT), but I really can't think of anything that would suit me as well as it does....I've bonded with it! :grin:

If you're in the Leicester area yourself, you're not too far away from Jim Hill at Long Eaton - really nice bloke, really knows his BMWs. http://www.ifixyourbike.com/#gallery You could always book a longish test ride and whip it over to him for a pre-arranged once-over....I would! :lol:

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Re: Which K should I buy?

Postby Jakedoughty » Tue Jan 09, 2018 4:44 pm

I have put a deposit down on the GT its not as a good deal as the S was but in my opinion a more practical. It's in excellent condition and has a full BMW service record.

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Re: Which K should I buy?

Postby milleplod » Tue Jan 09, 2018 4:59 pm

Excellent news, bet you're a happy bunny! \:D/ I should think your son will love it, they're a cracking 2-up tourer. My daughter's 14 now, she's been a regular on the back of my ST for the last 3 years now....lots of trips planned for this year. :smile:

Let us know how you get along with it, and a few photos are more or less compulsory! :grin:

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Re: Which K should I buy?

Postby Jakedoughty » Tue Jan 09, 2018 7:40 pm

He says it's very comfy on the back. He couldn't mount the S because of the panniers. This ones got heated seats !
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