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Re: The Never lend your bike to a mate rebuild thread

Postby george baker » Fri Feb 17, 2017 7:56 pm

Hi
25mm is an inch which is too big for the exhaust Shirley?

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Re: The Never lend your bike to a mate rebuild thread

Postby Ian T » Fri Feb 17, 2017 8:23 pm

Never could do metric

I once went to a veg shop and asked for a pound of potatoes. The shop keeper said its kilos now sir.

I said ok I'll have a pound of kilos please.

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Re: The Never lend your bike to a mate rebuild thread

Postby PhilO » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:44 pm

Hi Ian aka Shirley......it could stick you know!
Plug leads, they are full of rubber. Just re-align the metal and nip it up again.
Good joke, big chuckle bro.

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Re: The Never lend your bike to a mate rebuild thread

Postby Ian T » Sun Feb 19, 2017 6:27 am

Well Phil thanks for the tip, all nipped up and looking like the others:

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Next attacked the wheel bearings, they did not look too good on the outside but spun up ok, but gonna change em anyway:

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Next up was the head bearing races, bit of a nightmare as I wanted to leave the fluidbloc in place, still all out ready for the frame to be done:

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Next up was the forks, someone had mullered the dust seals, what a prat as they came out easily enough, lots of crud underneath:

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Seals not much better:

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Finally the mandatory stuck mudguard bolt, glad I did not miss the experience:

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Going fishing in the morning, cod calling, hope to strip the forks down when I get home

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Re: The Never lend your bike to a mate rebuild thread

Postby Mike D » Sun Feb 19, 2017 10:52 am

That head race is knackered, I assume you are fitting new ones?

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Re: The Never lend your bike to a mate rebuild thread

Postby Ian T » Sun Feb 19, 2017 4:15 pm

Your assumption is correct that's why I knocked em out yesterday.

Stripped the forks down today stauncions ok so that good, needs new seals and dust caps:

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So big order off to Motoworks tonight and now I have the wheel to clean up, the fork sliders to clean and paint and the frame to clean and paint. The frame is quite rusty in places.

I am not going to strip down the fork internals as I put in progressive spring before I gave it away to me mate, so they should all still be good.

No cod today but plenty of whiting off the beach

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Re: The Never lend your bike to a mate rebuild thread

Postby george baker » Sun Feb 19, 2017 9:36 pm

i
would rather have whiting than cod
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Re: The Never lend your bike to a mate rebuild thread

Postby Ian T » Sun Feb 19, 2017 9:46 pm

Ha

We plagued with em threw around 20 back, not a cod in sight
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Re: The Never lend your bike to a mate rebuild thread

Postby Ian T » Tue Feb 21, 2017 6:49 am

Not a good day today, I had forgotten how wonderful an adventure it was to mindlessly rub down and prep for painting.

I first had to drill out the two remaining seized bolts:

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It is a pity that the wazzock who had a go last time in the bikes life could not drill straight, but it should not be too much of a problem considering they are not too big a load bearing point:

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The forks are ready now took ages with sandpaper then some wet and dry but all de-greased and ready for a bit of paint:

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Started to clean up the wheel and a bit disapointing as there are some small blemishes, I did not want to have to paint the wheels as the nice chap put new tyres on a few months ago, not Bridgestones, Avons instead, still you can't have everything:

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Started to sand off the frame, at this point I lost the will to live, brought some stripper from Screwfix, looks like it is going to be as much use as a chocolate fire guard, so slathered another coat on and wrapped it in cling film, may help if not it will have to be wire brushes, but I don't like them as too aggressive.

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Re: The Never lend your bike to a mate rebuild thread

Postby george baker » Tue Feb 21, 2017 8:00 am

Hi
either screwfix or toolstation sell a plastic panscrubber type mop with grit, I have not tried them but think they look ok to remove paint
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Re: The Never lend your bike to a mate rebuild thread

Postby Ian T » Tue Feb 21, 2017 8:29 am

Thanks George

I will pop down today, I think I know the sort and it must be easier. I got some paraffin from B and Q £6.99 for four litres daylight robbery, and I went to a proper automotive supplier and got some slow panel wipe and tack cloths so all should be good for a paint up.

Just found out you can get 2k in aerosol, how good is that!

I'll let you know if the pads work

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Re: The Never lend your bike to a mate rebuild thread

Postby Galactic Greyhound » Tue Feb 21, 2017 11:17 am

Try this - I use them for stripping paint off wooden doors - works well and far better than paint stripper.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/291748656544

Kerosene from your CH Oil Tank is the same as Paraffin and a lot cheaper!
Also good for cleaning oil-based paint off brushes.
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Re: The Never lend your bike to a mate rebuild thread

Postby PhilO » Tue Feb 21, 2017 11:39 am

Hi Ian,
I admire your heroic efforts to drill out the mudgard bolt. I think they cause more grief than a difficult wife. Just for future ref...use a 4mm cobalt drill if you need to go right through. Follow with 6mm if first drill went right down the centre. Stainless steel bolts will work harden if you use a normal drill and then be undrillable. My fave method is to drill, saw or grind off the bolt head and use the protruding thread at the other side with a lubed up nut and packing washers to draw out the stub. If you are totally committed to drilling and you go off line then saw off the protruding thread and start again from the other side with a decent centre punch mark. I would only do this if the bolt has snapped off. Usually they will yield to the nut and washer method.
For a chap like you with time on his hands a leisurely soak in penetrating oil (not WD40) will pay dividends. It works great on rusty nuts and bolts too!
I think you need to paint/powder coat the wheels. After all you have taken the bearings out...with heat I trust. These 3 spokers have such a large surface area they have to look good. It's worth trying a rattle can.
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Re: The Never lend your bike to a mate rebuild thread

Postby Galactic Greyhound » Tue Feb 21, 2017 2:28 pm

Rub 'n Buff 'Silver Leaf' colour might help tidy up the wheels if you don't want to paint. Available on Ebay.

I've just used it for the first time on my R1100RT fork sliders which were looking a bit grotty after 20 years use.

Clean and degrease smoothing off any rough surfaces and apply VERY sparingly with a toothbrush (Tip: Use the wife's) then buff to a shine with a cloth.

The sliders look much better now and the wife is getting a nose ring to go with her silver teeth -very Goth!
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Re: The Never lend your bike to a mate rebuild thread

Postby Ian T » Wed Feb 22, 2017 7:41 am

Cheers Ced and George I got some yesterday should be a lot easier, ruined me nails already!

That Rub n Buff stuff looks really good first came across it here when I had me R80 about 2010, it does produce some amazing results. Mentioned to the wife about the Goth movement, not seen her since.

Alas I am on gas heating or I would have raided the tank already, but thanks.

Phil, what a great method to use, got em out anyway used mole grips on the stud but, but thanks really appreciate it.

"With heat I trust" - ha ha I an ex Marine with a big hammer.....................

You are all right they have to be painted, fancy powder coat but my aim is to do everything myself and not farm out anything this time, I see lots of tinternet things where people have painted their wheels with the tyres still on, I have never taken this approach before as I have always had the tyres off, but given they are brand new - what do people think about this approach of painting with tyre on, is it just laziness or a sensible approach
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Re: The Never lend your bike to a mate rebuild thread

Postby PhilO » Wed Feb 22, 2017 12:06 pm

I favour the naked aproach to wheel painting. It gives you the chance to clean up the tyre bead area where all slow leaks eminate. Yer average tyre fitter is just a quick 'off and on' merchant and ignores the inevitable corrosion in this vital region. You can get the tyre off easily enough if you keep it beside the Aga for a day to soften it up then get your friendly motorcycle tyre fitter to replace it using his rim guards and plenty of lube.
I have painted on the rim by deflating the tyre to get the masking tucked under a bit further. I would replace the bearings first or you could ruin the paint work when you re-fit them.
You could always remove the tyre yourself. Clean up and paint the inner surface then replace the tyre. Paint the rim with the tyre deflated then reflate and get the balance done by the pros, although it is not impossible to do the balance yourself before you fit the brakes.
I suppose most folks would just mask the tyre and blow the paint on...and why not? Life's too short any way.

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Re: The Never lend your bike to a mate rebuild thread

Postby Ian T » Wed Feb 22, 2017 5:52 pm

As always Phil your words are wise and can't do a half baked job so the tyres off and I will do the wheels properly. Had a little rub and the lacquer and paint do not appear to hard on. So should be easy to strip.

Frame half stripped of paint hope to finish it off tomorrow.

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Re: The Never lend your bike to a mate rebuild thread

Postby Ian T » Thu Feb 23, 2017 2:55 pm

Well that's the frame sorta done, I now need to get at it with the paper and wheel. Still most of it off so should not take that long, all done in the eye of windy Doris.

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Well that's me for the day cos it is raining had

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Re: The Never lend your bike to a mate rebuild thread

Postby Ian T » Tue Mar 07, 2017 4:28 pm

Well that's the new bathroom fitted and the kids have all gone home again so I can get on a bit.

Built the spray bay today, looks rather snazzie I think:

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Re: The Never lend your bike to a mate rebuild thread

Postby george baker » Tue Mar 07, 2017 9:52 pm

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your own spray booth, neat

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Re: The Never lend your bike to a mate rebuild thread

Postby Ian T » Wed Jun 20, 2018 6:54 am

Well that's me back again, bit of an anus horibilus, or a very close spelling of. Wifey been a bit ill so needed looking after and she would not do convalescing in the garage, she gets better and lo a house fire which took the kitchen roof and a lot of other stuff out. Loads of electricians and builders running about now after a month of no power, heating or light, it's amazing what you can cook up on a little camping stove and the whistling kettle has taken a good bashing.

Need some sanity so getting back to me project, not been able to before, mind you funny old world when you got no power, very limiting to what you can do.

So here I am again and first question after searching this site, the other site and days and days of tinternet, what the hell do you use to prep up and paint the body work.

I am ok with the tank, so that is not a worry as I am going shiny for a tryout, but what on the fairing etc. I don't have a good enough compressor or a gun anymore, never could use it anyway, and I definitely don't want to pay a body shop.

So rattle cans it will be, I have much confusion over whether I should use cellulose, enamel, or two pack. It will be a 'in the shed job' and I keep reading how bad 2k is but I am getting old and gave up smoking about 30 years ago, is it really that bad out of a rattle can with a mask on?

So my dear and learned friends what do you all recommend, I just can't seem to find any really sensible straight answers. I realise petrol resistance of a prime focus, but as I said not doing the tank, I need to get the kid out of me, but dare say I will be doing it later when the shiny polish kick diminishes.

So all panels, what are your very kind recs and experiences please and so glad to be back

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Re: The Never lend your bike to a mate rebuild thread

Postby george baker » Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:42 am

Hi
welcome back and pleased you are finding "project time"
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Re: The Never lend your bike to a mate rebuild thread

Postby Galactic Greyhound » Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:15 am

Welcome back Ian! :smile:

CaptAirhead posted a bit on painting here:
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Re: The Never lend your bike to a mate rebuild thread

Postby Ian T » Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:36 am

Cheers Ced

Much appreciated, I had found that thread and it is quite informative but it focuses on the frame for the most part. I am ok with that as I am going to give the old smoothrite a try out, but it is the bodywork I have the great confusion about.

I keep googling away and perhaps with some guidance here the mists will clear.

Thanks for the link

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Re: The Never lend your bike to a mate rebuild thread

Postby CaptAirhead » Wed Jun 20, 2018 4:11 pm

Hi,
I did the fairing, tank and bodywork on my ex-police R80/7 with 2 pack which my local paint shop colour matched to an original panel and supplied in rattle cans. I rubbed the panels down with fine wet and dry. Then I gave them all a couple of coats of white primer. Another wee rub down and sprayed with the 2 pack. The result was quite good and much better than previous attempts with Holts and Halford rattle cans. The paint went on better and was much deeper and shinier looking.

Here is a couple of panels completed:-

ImageBMW R80/7 RT Fairing panels. by Ian Beat, on Flickr

The Duckbill seat base. The pinstripe was done with a cheap artists brush and sign-writer's enamel:-

ImageBMW R80 Duckbill seat base with luggage rack by Ian Beat, on Flickr

Just the fairing lowers to fit:-

Image1979 BMW R80/7 TIC by Ian Beat, on Flickr

Total cost was less then fifty quid so I'd say that is a result.
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