Getting to know the R850R

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Getting to know the R850R

Postby roman.mih83 » Sun Jul 08, 2018 9:08 pm

Hello,

I have just bought a 2004 R850R. It is quite different from my previous 1996 F650 Strada. I just rode 2km #-o . The battery was discharged and it started pouring outside, heavy rain.

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I have a few questions/requests:
1. I noticed a clack noise when accelerating. Is it normal, or smth wrong with the transmission? Just one clack, not clacking.

2. Does anybody have a user manual? I found and downloaded a few service manuals. I need to know the coding of idiot lights (i found a pdf about iABS) and of the other controls. There are more than on my previous 1996 F650 ST. I didn t even know R850R has a choke #-o . I don t know how to cancel the turning signals. Just rode 2km :grin:
I also need to know where the battery charging port is located...

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Re: Getting to know the R850R

Postby Jeff Highland » Sun Jul 08, 2018 9:46 pm

The "choke" is the lever on the left bar turn it anti clockwise when starting from cold for a fast idle and turn it to the off position after you start riding and before the first corner.
The turn signals are cancelled by pushing the right indicator button up.
The charging port is near the left rider's footpeg
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Re: Getting to know the R850R

Postby andys » Sun Jul 08, 2018 9:49 pm

Oilheads are a bit clunky.
I assume your bike has an auxiliary output.
Most BMW's do.
If that's the case, I've been told you can use that for trickle charging with the BMW charger, which has the correct fitting.
It's expensive so a cheaper option would be an optimate or something similar, which would require fitting a connector to the battery terminals.
There isn't a specific battery charging port as such.

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Re: Getting to know the R850R

Postby roman.mih83 » Sun Jul 08, 2018 9:55 pm

Thank you. I found out that the battery is hard to get at #-o I am going to take it out and charge it on a trickle charger.

Does the headlight stay on all the time? I think i only noticed low beam - high beam - flash, but not on/off...

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Re: Getting to know the R850R

Postby andys » Sun Jul 08, 2018 9:59 pm

No you have permanent lights.
No off switch.

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Re: Getting to know the R850R

Postby roman.mih83 » Sun Jul 08, 2018 10:12 pm

All right, it is safer that way.
I didn't notice it turning off while the engine was cranking.

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Re: Getting to know the R850R

Postby Jeff Highland » Sun Jul 08, 2018 11:39 pm

I use one of these into the accessory outlet near the footpeg
https://www2.munichmotorcycles.com.au/p ... ts_id=3008
plus a din plug
https://www2.munichmotorcycles.com.au/p ... ts_id=6309

Undoubtedly available cheaper near you
Much easier than pulling the battery

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Re: Getting to know the R850R

Postby george baker » Mon Jul 09, 2018 8:33 am

Hi
welcome, there are at least 2 850s, 5 and 6 speed gear boxes AND at least 2 different sets of idiot lights, some have ABS as well.

The left indicator ON, on left Bar
The right indicator ON, on right Bar
Both indicator OFF, on the Right Bar

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Re: Getting to know the R850R

Postby roman.mih83 » Mon Jul 09, 2018 11:53 am

Hello,

This is my dash. The motorcycle is made in 2003...

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I am trying to find an email address of BMW to ask for a user s manual ...On their site i can find only for R 1200, newer models...

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Postby Galactic Greyhound » Mon Jul 09, 2018 1:45 pm




.......I am trying to find an email address of BMW to ask for a user s manual ...On their site i can find only for R 1200, newer models...
If you visit your local BMW Motorrad dealer with the VIN number of your bike they will order a User Manual for you.

Alternatively, you might try contacting Motorworks, Motobins or James Sherlock on their UK websites to see if they can help you out.

If you purchase a Haynes or a Clymer Manual then this will give you all the info you need to service the bike yourself.

There is an independent guy called Dan Cata in Romania.
It might be worth your while searching for him on the web as he does bits and pieces for the Oilheads like your R850R.
I have had dealings with him in the past and he seems a nice guy.
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Re: Getting to know the R850R

Postby roman.mih83 » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:55 pm

Wow, thank you very much. I didn t know about this guy. I already sent an email with the VIN number to BMW Romania.

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Re: Getting to know the R850R

Postby Galactic Greyhound » Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:04 pm

I first came across Dan Cata on the BMWSportTouring forum:
http://bmwsporttouring.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php

That was a few years ago but he might still be posting there/listed and may be a means to get in touch otherwise.

He sells his own HES Ignition Trigger Units and Throttle Body Repair Kits which are quite popular.
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Re: Getting to know the R850R

Postby roman.mih83 » Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:29 pm

Thank you very much. very useful information. This winter i am going to check the HES wiring, as i have read that it s the wiring which fails, not necessarily the sensors. I noticed that the protection sleeves of the cables at the handlebar are cracked, some were repaired with tape. Odd, my previous F was 20 years old and the sleeves were perfect...

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Re: Getting to know the R850R

Postby Galactic Greyhound » Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:50 pm

The Oilhead HES wiring generally fails at around 50,000 miles due to the PVC insulation crumbling away and degrading the HES Ignition and Fuelling pulses to the ECU (Motronic) and is best replaced/repaired before that mileage is reached.
The wiring insulation failure usually occurs at first in wet weather and the bike can often be restarted after being left to dry out for a couple of hours.
However, the problem will get worse if left much longer before action is taken.

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Re: Getting to know the R850R

Postby roman.mih83 » Mon Jul 09, 2018 8:07 pm

YEs, this is exactely what i have seen and saved on my computer. Job for this winter... Bike supposedly has 51.000km

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Postby keiththeoutfitter1 » Mon Jul 09, 2018 9:43 pm

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Re: Getting to know the R850R

Postby roman.mih83 » Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:48 am

Good information . Unfortunately it is still raining outside...

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Re: Getting to know the R850R

Postby roman.mih83 » Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:45 pm

As i said before, the sleeves of the cables from the handlebar switches are cracked and the inner wires are exposed.
I am planing to replace them with this tube, 12mm inner diameter:
https://www.tme.eu/gb/details/pvc125-12 ... ubes/sigi/

Does somebody know if it is enough 12mm? As far as i measured, the bunch of wires is about 7-8 mm thick

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Re: Getting to know the R850R

Postby george baker » Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:51 pm

Hi
I dont know if 12mm is large enough, Is the pvc tube the fire resistant type? I dont think it is much dearer than standard tube

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Re: Getting to know the R850R

Postby roman.mih83 » Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:28 pm

There is a datasheet there. I think it is UV stable and resistant up to 100 celsius. I don t remember exactely...
Anyhow, it must be better than the electrical tape that i have right now.
I will check better The diameter...

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Re: Getting to know the R850R

Postby Galactic Greyhound » Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:50 pm

See this link for all things electrical for your bike including coloured wire sold by the metre:

http://www.vehicle-wiring-products.eu/

See the 'Delivery' section for postal charges to Romania.

PVC sleeving of 12mm bore will take 12 'thinwall' cables (see the 'Sleeving' section):
http://www.vehicle-wiring-products.eu/p ... c-sleeving
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Re: Getting to know the R850R

Postby roman.mih83 » Sun Aug 05, 2018 5:39 pm

Hello,

A few things i have noticed:

1. The oil level is way below the maximum. Why would anyone add that much oil? Does it help to attenuate some noises?

https://youtu.be/gzyxVmEmBIk

2. The driving position is very tyring for me. Or at least i am not accustomed. My old F650 had a better position, standard upright, the hands hanging on the handlebar.
For R850R i have to lean down to reach the handlebar, almost like sports posture. Which gets me tyred faster. I have to keep my back muscles tense.

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3. The mirrors are not very effective. I can t see the cars from the huge dead angle. Plus, being lower, i have to nod down to look in the mirrors. The F had bigger ones and somehow i could see them all the time. They were at eye level.

4. The turn signal cancel control and horn knob are not very well arranged. It takes some effort to touch them properly.

5. The suspension is stiff. If the road is uneven, i can feel it quite well. On the highway it is very nice...

Otherwise it is running good. Nice engine, good torque...

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Re: Getting to know the R850R

Postby Galactic Greyhound » Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:12 pm

Hello,

A few things i have noticed:

1. The oil level is way below the maximum. Why would anyone add that much oil? Does it help to attenuate some noises?

https://youtu.be/gzyxVmEmBIk

Be VERY careful about the oil level!
The oil level is ALWAYS measured when the engine has been stopped for a period.
The oil level will NOT show in the Sight Glass when the engine is running.
Here is a procedure based on Jaythro's method:

Oilhead Engine Oil Level Check:

When returning from a last ride of the day, ALWAYS leave the bike on the sidestand for 20 minutes.
After 20 minutes put it on the mainstand.
In the morning, the Oil Sight Glass will indicate the true Oil Level.
If between 1/3 and Max - do NOT top up!
If below 1/3 then top up to the 2/3 level ONLY!


2. The driving position is very tyring for me. Or at least i am not accustomed. My old F650 had a better position, standard upright, the hands hanging on the handlebar.
For R850R i have to lean down to reach the handlebar, almost like sports posture. Which gets me tyred faster. I have to keep my back muscles tense.

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Can you adjust your seat height? - see the User Manual

3. The mirrors are not very effective. I can t see the cars from the huge dead angle. Plus, being lower, i have to nod down to look in the mirrors. The F had bigger ones and somehow i could see them all the time. They were at eye level.

Can the mirror glass be adjusted? The mirror glass on my R1100RT is adjustable by CAREFUL pressing on the glass.

4. The turn signal cancel control and horn knob are not very well arranged. It takes some effort to touch them properly.

Yes - you get used to it after a while!

5. The suspension is stiff. If the road is uneven, i can feel it quite well. On the highway it is very nice...

Otherwise it is running good. Nice engine, good torque...
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Re: Getting to know the R850R

Postby Nate » Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:33 am

2. The driving position is very tyring for me. Or at least i am not accustomed. My old F650 had a better position, standard upright, the hands hanging on the handlebar.
For R850R i have to lean down to reach the handlebar, almost like sports posture. Which gets me tyred faster. I have to keep my back muscles tense.
Motorworks sell a 25mm handlebar riser kit especially for this. Their part number is HAA31010

https://www.motorworks.co.uk/vlive/Shop ... 5_30_OA_55

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Re: Getting to know the R850R

Postby roman.mih83 » Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:42 pm

Very useful Information. Thank you.

The suspension is really stiff. I compared today with F650 on the same road. I see that i can adust the rebound. I will try to set it to maxim slow.
I noticed that the preload adjustment doesn t work. The following days i am going to fill it with oil. Although i am going to keep it to minimum low.


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