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Re: Krauser S150 key

Postby Rob Frankhamr » Sat Apr 14, 2018 9:54 am

This place stocks Sudhaus keys with lots of images......including S150

http://www.keytrader.co.uk/Suitcase-Keys/Sudhaus.html
Sadly it shows both S150 and S324 as 'discontinued'.

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Re: Krauser S150 key

Postby CaptAirhead » Sat Apr 14, 2018 10:41 am

This place stocks Sudhaus keys with lots of images......including S150

http://www.keytrader.co.uk/Suitcase-Keys/Sudhaus.html
Hi,
They list some Sudhaus keys but if you click on product details you will find that they are all discontinued and out of stock.
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Re: Krauser S150 key

Postby Galactic Greyhound » Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:00 am

I sent an email to Sudhaus asking what is the difference between the DBGM and the DGBM keys referencing the DBGM S150 key and got the following response today:


"Good morning,
we have only 1 key in programm with no. S150, this is key 1150.
You can get those from our sales partner which is

Messrs. Forstmann, Offenbach / Germany
forstmann@rudolf-forstmann.de

Best regards
Alexandra Becker

Sudhaus GmbH & Co KG
Sales Department
Tel: 0049 2371 906101
Fax: 0049 2371 906271101
www.sudhaus.de"

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-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Sudhaus DBGM and DGBM Key Designation (13-Apr-2018 17:34)
From: Cedric Mungall <......>
To: info@sudhaus.de

Hello!

I am trying to find out the difference of the DBGM and DGBM designation of Sudhaus keys as used on the old BMW Motorcycle luggage systems (Airhead R100RT models etc.).

A typical key might be designated:
Sudhaus DBGM S150.
However, there is apparently another designation DGBM S150.
What is the difference between the DBGM and the DGBM keys?

Also, do you still supply replacement keys for these BMW Motorcycle luggage systems?

Thank you for your attention.

Regards,

Cedric Mungall
Scotland
UK.

Ced
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To: .........
Cc: sarah.brandmeier@sudhaus.de
forstmann@rudolf-forstmann.de
mario.menge@sudhaus.de
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Re: Krauser S150 key

Postby CaptAirhead » Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:21 am

Nice Try Ced but what a useless response from someone who obviously doesn't know and doesn't care.
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Re: Krauser S150 key

Postby Galactic Greyhound » Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:04 pm

Further:

Email received today from Rudolf Forstmann
forstmann@rudolf-forstmann.de

"key sudhaus S 150

Hello ,

2 pcs Key 2014 S 150 € 15,00 incl. tax and shipment

payment after receive by pay pal or transfer

bankdata can be found on the invoice

your address ???

please let us know

best regards

thomas

rudolf forstmann gmbh"

Looks like the enquiry was indeed passed on and someone acted on it!
If ordering this key then DOUBLECHECK with Rudolf Forstmann that this is indeed the correct key!
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Re: Krauser S150 key

Postby george baker » Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:30 pm

Hi
If ordering from me it is just the postage to check it, or Join us on a club members outing and save the postage

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Re: Krauser S150 key

Postby CaptAirhead » Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:00 pm

That's a better response. I wonder if they still stock the other keys.. S324 etc. ? 15 Euro a pair is reasonable if it's the right key.
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Re: Krauser S150 key

Postby CaptAirhead » Fri Apr 20, 2018 12:07 pm

Good news on the Sudhaus key front. I sent an email to the address that Ced suggested requesting two S150 and two S324 keys. This morning a package popped through my letterbox containing the 4 Keys and an invoice for 24.99 Euros :-

ImageBMW Krauser Pannier Sudhaus Key set. by Ian Beat, on Flickr

The S324 were DBGM and the S150 were DGBM but they both locked and unlocked my DBGM pannier locks perfectly. So thanks for German efficiency and thanks to Ced for doing the research.

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Re: Krauser S150 key

Postby SteveD » Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:46 am

I'm looking at getting a set of keyless Krausers with a lid lock code DBGM S150. The seller is getting back to me re the other locks.
Are the lid locks usually the same or different to the frame locks?
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Re: Krauser S150 key

Postby Rob Frankhamr » Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:04 am

I'm looking at getting a set of keyless Krausers with a lid lock code DBGM S150. The seller is getting back to me re the other locks.
Are the lid locks usually the same or different to the frame locks?
Different... The norm is for the lid locks to be S150 and the latch locks to be S324 although some people have reported other numbers used. There are also two different types of each, one is marked DBGM and the other is markled DGBM. I don't think we've ever come up with a definitive answer as to what the difference is. It's worth reading this thread in detail to get a grounding on the usages and where they can be found. Seems a lot of bother for what are, in truth, very mickey mouse locks...

If you haven't used the krauser panniers before, there are a couple of things you need to be aware of:

1) You need to have the BMW racks with latch tongues fitted (or the krauser/Hepco Becker equivalent). Early frames have the tongues welded onto the rear tube of the frames. With later frames, the tongues can be unbolted and there are two attachment lugs welded to the frame to allow this. This allows the use of the frames with the later 'Touring' panniers. Still later frames have no welded on attachments. You can still use these frames but you need an addaption kit consisting of what I would call elongated 'P' clips that go round the frame tube for the latches to bolt to.

2) The tongue type latches (sometimes refered to as set belt type latches) fitted to the Krauser panniers are notoriously prone to letting go 'in flight' so to speak. I suspect this is mainly due to wear on the lock mechanism. Many users put a ratchet strap round the panniers to hold them in place should the latch fail. My remedy has been to replace the original latches with clasp type latches from the later 'Touring' panniers which are much more secure. The other benefit is that it allows me to switch between Krausers and 'Touring' panniers on all my airheads at will.

3) Like the latches, the lid locks are also prone to wear if they get too bad, the panniers will pop open. The aforementioned ratchet strap will also prevent this. In my experience, unless the latches are badly worn or very corroded and dirty, they are fine... others may disagree.

Hope that helps

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Re: Krauser S150 key

Postby SteveD » Fri Jan 17, 2020 12:15 pm

Thanks Rob, great summary.

I did read the thread first but still wasn't sure hence the question.

The panniers I'm looking at are seat belt type. Both keys are DBGM but so far I only know the lid is S150.

I'd be happy to use them if the price is right. I'd very likely just get new hook frame latches and use straps for the lids, which I already do with the BMW panniers anyhow.

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Re: Krauser S150 key

Postby Rob Frankhamr » Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:05 pm

No worries,

I've never seen S150 locks on the frame latches but they do seem to be the norm for the lid locks.

FWIW. I found that, to fit the hook type latches, you need to space them about 6mm back from the Krauser type case, not just attach them to it. Not difficult, just a shim of suitable thickness black plastic between the two. The latches used, by the way, are the ones fitted to the earlier touring panniers, sadly not the ones with re-keyable Nieman type lock barrels. It would have been nice to use these but they are a different size and won't fit into the recess in the Krauser case.

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Re: Krauser S150 key

Postby John Marshall » Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:08 pm

Came across welovekeys website they seem to list useful keys but I have not tried them. one of my three ( three!) sets of panniers has some Davenport lid locks which work. This set had no metal lid supports inside nor any evidence the had ever been any, which is odd.I made something up akin to the ones on K series panniers lids which have a short strap.
My main pair use lid locks from Motobins, a proper fitting key but you need to drill the lid rim to accommodate the new lock barrel.
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Re: Krauser S150 key

Postby Galactic Greyhound » Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:28 pm

IIRC, there was a thread on the forum last year or so about a German company being able to supply various pannier keys.

Might be worth a Search.

LATER EDIT:
Ha ha - found it! It was this thread! :lol:

https://www.bmbikes.org.uk/viewtopic.ph ... 63#p204063

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Re: Krauser S150 key

Postby John Marshall » Sat Jan 18, 2020 9:15 am

If I had read all the previous posts I would have seen the welovekeys link so apologies. What I did with my main set of panniers was I acquired some Krauser panniers which did not have the dished top to accommodate the seat, I think they had been on a Yamaha. The frame locks were much better than those on the BMW, both in terms of better grip on the seatbelt type ears and a better lock.I swapped the locks then gave the Krausers away to someone who needed them.
Rob just so that I am clear ,I can fit the later clasp type frame locks but a spacer is required and I need to remove the bolt on ears from the frames?
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Re: Krauser S150 key

Postby george baker » Sat Jan 18, 2020 11:39 am

Hi
I just re-read my posts and I suppose I must have the keys somewhere cos I dont remember giving selling many, maybe only 1

If you get in touch I maybe able to find them
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Re: Krauser S150 key

Postby Rob Frankhamr » Sat Jan 18, 2020 11:52 am

Hi John,

Yes that's exactly right.

Here are a few pics showing the later latches on my (Embarassingly filthy) Krauser panniers fitted to my R60/6. In this case, the frame is of the type fitted with two welded lugs to take the early latch plate. As you can see, the claw on the later latch fits (by design) between the two lugs. You can also clearly see the spacer fitted between the pannier body and the latch. Incidentally, the big pan headed screw behind the latch serves no structural purpose, it merely fills the hole vacated by the old style latches. I did this mod some years ago and these panniers have now done several thousand miles on all of my airheads so I can say with some certainty that it was succesful. The good thing about the new latches is that, provided they are locked and failing a physical failure of the frame or the latch casting, there is no way the pannier can become detached from the bike. If I can help further assistance, let me know...
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Re: Krauser S150 key

Postby Rob Frankhamr » Sat Jan 18, 2020 11:56 am

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Re: Krauser S150 key

Postby John Marshall » Sat Jan 18, 2020 12:07 pm

Hi Rob thanks for taking the time to do that,it is very helpful to me.
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Re: Krauser S150 key

Postby Rob Frankhamr » Sat Jan 18, 2020 11:10 pm

No problems, but I do have one confession... the images were already on my computer from an earlier discussion some years ago. Doesn't make them any less valid though...

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Re: Krauser S150 key

Postby george baker » Sun Jan 19, 2020 11:53 am

Hi
I have a mistrust of the latch to frame lock and seldom remove them from the bike, never for an overnight stop cos I use pannier bags -- So I put a cable tie through the lock and around the frame just for safety sake
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Re: Krauser S150 key

Postby SteveD » Sun Jan 19, 2020 1:53 pm

Hi Rob thanks for taking the time to do that,it is very helpful to me.
Yes, thanks Rob
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Re: Krauser S150 key

Postby SteveD » Fri Jan 24, 2020 11:08 am

If anyone has a S150 available I'm after one....@ george baker
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