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Need your help! What is your favorite BMW model ?

Postby Legend Rides » Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:15 am

Dear BMW Lovers,
I am developing a French-based travel agency providing motorcycle tours to international riders on vintage BMW.

I need your help to choose the model of the first bikes we will buy!

Which vintage BMW model do you like the most for riding 3-6 hours?

R800GS
R800RT
R800GT
R800R
R800C

If you can also tell me where you are from with your response it would be very helpful for my research :cheers:
Thank you!

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Re: Need your help! What is your favorite BMW model ?

Postby gogs01 » Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:03 pm

I am from Scotland.
I have ridden classic bikes in France.
I would be happy to ride the R80GS or R800RT, but I'm sure any of these models, if in good condition, would be good fun for a few hours.
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Postby CaptAirhead » Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:25 pm

I'd go with the R80RT and R80GS
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Postby Mjolinor » Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:47 pm

I think you are asking the wrong question.

If someone needs or wants to hire one then model will not make any difference.

You should be asking which model will need least work to prepare it for the next customer and which model will be cheapest to get bits for like mirrors and other sticky out bits.

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Re: Need your help! What is your favorite BMW model ?

Postby Rob Frankhamr » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:55 am

If you are asking what my own favourite model is, I would say without hesitation the R100RS... but... I don't think it would be a good bet as a hire bike.

I think that you need to research your intended target customer and the service you intend to supply before making any decisions on the type of bike you need. What sort of day/mileage are you intending to do? Are you intending to provide supported tours or will you expect your customers to carry their own gear? What sort of roads will you be using? Do you intend to include off road mileage? Can you afford to have a number of different styles or do you intend to standardise on one style.

Clearly the vintage aspect is important to you and so is serviceability which, I surmise, is why you are focusing on 247 series BMW airheads. Bear in mind, though, that the earlier models (/5 and to a lesser extent /6 machines) are starting to be difficult to source parts for. In addition, the later machines (say 'Sept 80 onwards') have definite benefits in terms of serviceability and the performance of some systems (particularly brakes).

If you are not contemplating off road work, I would avoid 'GS models simply because they have a notoriously high seat height which will make them unusable (or at least uncomfortable) for a significant proportion of punters...

The 'RT models are great tourers but, it has to be said, the fairing does not make for ease of servicing and it is very vulnerable to damage should the bike go down. Panels can obviously be replaced but sourcing them and getting them painted up is a time consuming business which, as a tour operator, you can do without.

For my money, and not knowing in detail your proposed business model, I would say the best bet would be standard unfaired R80 machines built after Sept '80. Twin shock or Monoshock makes little difference although standardising on one or the other might have benefits. I would trick them out with standard 'BMW Touring' luggage to support the 'vintage' look... the Krauser classic panniers look better but they will not hold a full face helmet. That being said, you can source 'Classic' lookalikes from Hepco and Becker (and others) that are wider than the originals.

You might find, also, that the type of bike makes a significant difference to the insurance costs...

Well, those are my observations...

Rob
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Re: Need your help! What is your favorite BMW model ?

Postby bazzzer » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:54 pm

I'd prefer to R80RT, but get it with the most relaxed gearing you can. Mine had Police gearing (very short), great acceleration, but 5000 rpm at 71mph !
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Postby tigcraft » Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:41 am

As for me, I’m not clued up with older BMW’s but what I do want is naked (as in the uk I may want a fairing for our cold weather), comfort and a lower seat height but not nessesarily a very low seat.

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Re: Need your help! What is your favorite BMW model ?

Postby Ruralman » Wed Sep 26, 2018 9:32 pm

Any GS or RT would suit me.
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Re: Need your help! What is your favorite BMW model ?

Postby Legend Rides » Sun Oct 07, 2018 1:12 pm

I am from Scotland.
I have ridden classic bikes in France.
I would be happy to ride the R80GS or R800RT, but I'm sure any of these models, if in good condition, would be good fun for a few hours.
Hello Gogs01,
And thank you very much for your reply!

Can you tell me more about how did you ride those classic bikes?
Did you rent them?
If yes, to whom?
Where was it exactly?
How much did you pay for it (if I may ask)?

You mentioned "for a few hours",
Meaning that you would be more willing to do a day trip, or half day trip rather than a road trip for a few days discovering a region for example?

Thank you once again for your time,
Best,
Legend Rides
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Re: Need your help! What is your favorite BMW model ?

Postby george baker » Sun Oct 07, 2018 1:36 pm

hi
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Re: Need your help! What is your favorite BMW model ?

Postby Legend Rides » Sun Oct 07, 2018 1:46 pm

I'd go with the R80RT and R80GS
Hello CaptAirhead,
Thank you very much for your reply!

Would it possible for you to tell me where you are from? It would help me with my research.

Have you ever come to France?

Regarding the duration of a trip:
o Would you be more attracted by a road-trip of 2-4 days to discover a region?
o Or
o Would you like more a half day/ day experience?

Regarding the pricing:
o How much are you willing to pay for a unique experience riding vintage BMW, discovering a culture and its specialties with local specialists?

Regarding the value proposition:
• What is including:
o What is so special for you when you ride in another country?
o What are the main things you want to discover?
 Culture in general
 History
 Food
 Population
 Traditions
o How long do you ride per day?
o Do you like to be guided or you rather like your freedom?

Once again,
Thank you for your time and consideration.

Best,
Legend Rides

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Re: Need your help! What is your favorite BMW model ?

Postby Legend Rides » Sun Oct 07, 2018 1:54 pm

I think you are asking the wrong question.

If someone needs or wants to hire one then model will not make any difference.

You should be asking which model will need least work to prepare it for the next customer and which model will be cheapest to get bits for like mirrors and other sticky out bits.
Hi Mjolinor and thank you for your reply,
Indeed, you are right considering the practical and financial side of the business.

On the other hand, the point is to provide a unique experience riding the BMW vintage bike.
The reason why I ask this question is to know which model most of the people are interested in so it can fit with my offer.

But if we come back to your point, do you have any idea of which BMW vintage model will need the least work to prepare and the cheapest option to get replacement parts?

Thank you in advance for your time and consideration.
Best,
Legend Rides

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Re: Need your help! What is your favorite BMW model ?

Postby Legend Rides » Sun Oct 07, 2018 2:10 pm

If you are asking what my own favourite model is, I would say without hesitation the R100RS... but... I don't think it would be a good bet as a hire bike.

I think that you need to research your intended target customer and the service you intend to supply before making any decisions on the type of bike you need. What sort of day/mileage are you intending to do? Are you intending to provide supported tours or will you expect your customers to carry their own gear? What sort of roads will you be using? Do you intend to include off road mileage? Can you afford to have a number of different styles or do you intend to standardise on one style.

Clearly the vintage aspect is important to you and so is serviceability which, I surmise, is why you are focusing on 247 series BMW airheads. Bear in mind, though, that the earlier models (/5 and to a lesser extent /6 machines) are starting to be difficult to source parts for. In addition, the later machines (say 'Sept 80 onwards') have definite benefits in terms of serviceability and the performance of some systems (particularly brakes).

If you are not contemplating off road work, I would avoid 'GS models simply because they have a notoriously high seat height which will make them unusable (or at least uncomfortable) for a significant proportion of punters...

The 'RT models are great tourers but, it has to be said, the fairing does not make for ease of servicing and it is very vulnerable to damage should the bike go down. Panels can obviously be replaced but sourcing them and getting them painted up is a time consuming business which, as a tour operator, you can do without.

For my money, and not knowing in detail your proposed business model, I would say the best bet would be standard unfaired R80 machines built after Sept '80. Twin shock or Monoshock makes little difference although standardising on one or the other might have benefits. I would trick them out with standard 'BMW Touring' luggage to support the 'vintage' look... the Krauser classic panniers look better but they will not hold a full face helmet. That being said, you can source 'Classic' lookalikes from Hepco and Becker (and others) that are wider than the originals.

You might find, also, that the type of bike makes a significant difference to the insurance costs...

Well, those are my observations...

Rob
Dear Rob,
First I would like to thank you for your response, which is full of valuable information.

We are currently doing our market research on which country to target first in order to secondly build our offer with the target customers.
For now, the value proposition is to provide a unique experience to BMW lovers through a nice ride (duration to be determined) and discovering France and its culture.

The practical and logistical side of the project will come later after having built the offer; so everything related to the off-road and the bags carrying will be later decisions.

Your pieces of advice on which machines to work with are really valuable for us.
Indeed, we would like to have 4 to 5 machines of the same model.
Why would you choose more R80 instead of R100 models?
More specifically, which model would you choose in the R80 one and why?

Thank you once again for your time and consideration,
Best,
Legend Rides

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Re: Need your help! What is your favorite BMW model ?

Postby Legend Rides » Sun Oct 07, 2018 2:14 pm

I'd prefer to R80RT, but get it with the most relaxed gearing you can. Mine had Police gearing (very short), great acceleration, but 5000 rpm at 71mph !
Dear Bazzzer,
Thank you for your response.

Would it be convenient for you to tell us your nationality? It would be very helpful for our research.

Have you ever come to France before?

Which region would you like to visit if any?

Looking forward to reading you,
Best,
Legend Rides

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Postby Legend Rides » Sun Oct 07, 2018 2:19 pm

As for me, I’m not clued up with older BMW’s but what I do want is naked (as in the uk I may want a fairing for our cold weather), comfort and a lower seat height but not nessesarily a very low seat.
Dear Tigcraft,
Thank you for your answer.

Have you ever come to France to ride?
If yes, tell us about it!

Thank you once again for your time and consideration.
Best,
Vintage Rides

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Postby Legend Rides » Sun Oct 07, 2018 2:25 pm

Any GS or RT would suit me.
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Dear Keith,
Thank you for your response.

Have you ever come to France to ride?

Which part(s) of France are you the most attracted by or would you like to discover?

Would you be more interested in a half day/ day trip or a 2-4 days trip?

Thank you once again for your time and consideration,
Best,
Legend Rides

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Re: Need your help! What is your favorite BMW model ?

Postby gogs01 » Sun Oct 07, 2018 11:37 pm


Hello Gogs01,
And thank you very much for your reply!

Can you tell me more about how did you ride those classic bikes?
Did you rent them?
If yes, to whom?
Where was it exactly?
How much did you pay for it (if I may ask)?

You mentioned "for a few hours",
Meaning that you would be more willing to do a day trip, or half day trip rather than a road trip for a few days discovering a region for example?

Thank you once again for your time,
Best,
Legend Rides
Google "Classic Bikes Provence" or "classic-motorcycles.cbesprit.com"

They have moved their base since I used them (almost 10 years ago :oops: ), but the bikes are pretty much what was on offer (no BMWs !).

I drove down there with my wife late in the year (out of season really) and we had day trips out with the host and a couple of other clients. We were guided around the local roads on day trips, radiating from the property where the bikes were stored, on a selection of bikes - I rode a Velocette, Matchless, Honda, Triumph and BSA. Prices wouldn't mean very much now (even if I knew what was paid - it was a birthday present to me).

There was talk of trips to Corsica which must have been a real adventure but I was never able to fit anything like that into my then work schedule. I enjoyed the day trips.

It must be tricky handing over any bike, and particularly a cherished classic, to a stranger who may or may not have the skill and / or experience to cope with drum brakes, boxer engine, shaft drive etc (and possibly on the "wrong" side of the road), so I wish you good luck if you decide to go ahead ! :smile:
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Re: Need your help! What is your favorite BMW model ?

Postby tigcraft » Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:03 am

As for me, I’m not clued up with older BMW’s but what I do want is naked (as in the uk I may want a fairing for our cold weather), comfort and a lower seat height but not nessesarily a very low seat.
Dear Tigcraft,
Thank you for your answer.

Have you ever come to France to ride?
If yes, tell us about it!

Thank you once again for your time and consideration.
Best,
Vintage Rides
I’ve only passed through from the Uk to travel to Austria and not really experienced all the smaller villages in France. It will be something I intend doing at some point when I get bored riding the alps.

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Re: Need your help! What is your favorite BMW model ?

Postby Mjolinor » Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:26 am

Bayonne to Perpignan taking in Lourdes and Andorra would be a really good two day run on a bike I think. I have done it in a mini back in the 70s. The views are seconded only by the Massive Central.


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