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Puncture Safe / Ultraseal

Postby keiththeoutfitter1 » Wed Jul 22, 2015 6:13 pm

I know that there have been previous discussions on this topic with some firmly held views on each side. I would like to add my today's experience. I had been travelling two-up at the legal dual carriageway limit on the A63 and was pulling of at the A15 slip when the back end felt a bit soggy. Got to a safe location at the top of the slip and found an almost flat rear tyre with Ultraseal dribbling out of a hole in the rear tyre. Although the hole appeared about 5mm dia. on the tread surface, I tried twice to insert the standard BMW plug without success (memo to self: follow Ced's advice and buy sticky string). Called the AA and the very helpful man had to use two thick plugs side-by-side to seal the hole before he followed me to the tyre shop.
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Did the Puncture Safe prevent a puncture -no
Did it prevent a sudden deflation an allow me to come to a controlled stop in a safe location: undoubtedly.
In view of this I will continue to use the product and, in fact, have just used it in my new rear tyre this afternoon.
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Re: Puncture Safe / Ultraseal

Postby george baker » Wed Jul 22, 2015 6:55 pm

Hi
thanks for the comment, I still dont know what to do cos I have had problems with getting tyres to seal on the rim and suspect Ultraseal may make it worse.

I DID by the string Ced recommended though

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Re: Puncture Safe / Ultraseal

Postby windmill john » Wed Jul 22, 2015 7:25 pm

First I start with blowing a raspberry at Keith :wink:

Whatever product was in my tyres had set hard in parts and yes George I can imagine that would cause sealing issues. I recently replaced the valve in my tyre as the product inside had hardened and stopped an effective seal. I had to wire brush and sand the rims to remove.

So, personally bear in mind, I carry Slime under the seat for my tubed bike, to be applied in the unfortunate hopefully not to happen again case of a puncture.

On my tubeless bike, I have both string and mushrooms under the seat.

If you don't do tyres yourself, then whatever. But I have to say, when removing tyres, it's an awful mess if they have goo.
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Re: Puncture Safe / Ultraseal

Postby keiththeoutfitter1 » Wed Jul 22, 2015 9:54 pm

Hi John,
rasberry accepted :grin:
All I can say is that I have been using Puncture Safe and its predecessor Ultraseal for some nineteen years from what I remember on two K1100's, my 1150RT and now my 1200RT and have never had a problem with it hardening or affecting sealing. With regard to mess, it washes of easily with water and I've never had an adverse comment -or indeed any comment at all - about its presence from a tyre fitter.
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Re: Puncture Safe / Ultraseal

Postby windmill john » Wed Jul 22, 2015 10:02 pm

Manual accepted too :grin:

Actually I think I read about you in the nightmare customers section of Tyre Fitters Monthly :wink:
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Re: Puncture Safe / Ultraseal

Postby keiththeoutfitter1 » Wed Jul 22, 2015 10:12 pm

Has a lot of leverage, that magazine :grin:
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Re: Puncture Safe / Ultraseal

Postby Galactic Greyhound » Wed Jul 22, 2015 10:56 pm

Hi Keith,

That happened to me in the wilds of the Lake District.

I had always used the Stop 'N Go plugs for puncture repair (nice, easy and quick to use) but they are only a temporary repair for around 100 miles, if used for much longer the plugs come out.

To combat this, I put UltraSeal in both tyres thinking that if any plug came out the UltraSeal would stop any leakage.

Well, I came off this mountain road with its cattle grids and found the back end starting to weave. I stopped on the single-track road and found a trail of Ultraseal behind the bike and up the back of the Number Plate.
My first thought was that the tyre had been ripped by one of the cattle grids.
Finding the hole was not difficult, a Stop 'N Go plug had come out leaving a 5mm hole in the tyre.

I was able to re-insert another Stop 'N Go plug and was on my way again in 10 minutes.
However, I lost faith in the UltraSeal after that having thought that it would seal any hole instantly. :sad:

That was when I discovered 'Sticky String' and became a true believer! :lol:

I still carry my Stop 'N Go kit for quick and easy repairs if necessary but any plug gets replaced with 'Sticky String' when I get home now! :grin:
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Re: Puncture Safe / Ultraseal

Postby gogs01 » Wed Jul 22, 2015 11:04 pm

[quote="keiththeoutfitter1Has a lot of leverage, that magazine :grin:[/quote]
In all seriousness, I think most of have never had a puncture and have done many thousands of miles without having had a puncture and without any slime. etc. see the need I've nothing against slime, but I don't see the need !
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Re: Puncture Safe / Ultraseal

Postby mw3230 » Thu Jul 23, 2015 6:51 am

I think you're all tempting fate by mentioning the 'p' word
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Re: Puncture Safe / Ultraseal

Postby keiththeoutfitter1 » Thu Jul 23, 2015 7:04 am

Definitely! Before yesterday, I cannot recall having a puncture since I was running Velocettes and that was in the 1970s and I've been on bikes continuously since 1964.
Ced, I think if you read the small print, the product only claims to seal holes 'up to 5mm' so we were both on the limit with our 5mm punctures. I am still convinced that the product prevented a very rapid deflation at high speed - after all, a 5mm hole is like unscrewing the valve!
As I said in my original post, there are strongly held views on both sides, much like oil and tyre threads!
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Re: Puncture Safe / Ultraseal

Postby windmill john » Tue Jul 28, 2015 8:17 am

Big article about tyres in Classic Mechanics. Didn't know about invalidating the warranty, not that I've ever had a problem.
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Re: Puncture Safe / Ultraseal

Postby keiththeoutfitter1 » Tue Jul 28, 2015 6:40 pm

I can only speak for myself, but I have said before on this forum that I am am a bit anal about my tyres and check them before and after every ride looking for the dreaded blue dot. In fact I checked treads and pressures only half an hour ago as I am planning a ride tomorrow ( Or was until I saw the XCWeather forecast for Hawes!). As with all things, common sense has to be applied and any sign of a blue dot on the tread would mean a trip to the tyre specialist for a check of the carcase before possible professional plugging. I still believe (know) that the sealant can prevent a sudden deflation and give one a chance of a controlled stop. As I said there are strongly held views on both sides and I don't think anything will persuade anyone to swap sides!
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Re: Puncture Safe / Ultraseal

Postby windmill john » Tue Jul 28, 2015 8:45 pm

Right........ Marmite........ How do you sta.....ZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz :grin:
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Best roads: 623 Burgos to Santander. A back road to Metz; can't remember which!
Ari, my 500 Classic
Bumble, my 700 Transalp.
Gupta, my 350 Bullet.
Sold my Airheads, what an idiot.
Too many bikes have come and gone, trying to be sensible now!


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