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Do you remember these

Postby andys » Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:57 pm

I nearly bought one
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Re: Do you remember these

Postby windmill john » Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:34 am

Yes. If I recall, didn’t it allow you to ride any bike, even if you hadn’t passed your test as it was classified as a sidecar?
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Re: Do you remember these

Postby george baker » Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:55 am

Hi
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Re: Do you remember these

Postby Rob Frankhamr » Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:00 am

Yes, I remember them coming out. They were made to 'get around' the 125cc learner laws and I think their emergence coincided with the reduction of the learner limit to 125cc. That would be in 1981. They had no carrying ability and were otherwise pretty pointless.

I believe a number were sold but I don't recall ever seeing one in use.

Changes in the provisional licence laws and the test provisions have made them totally pointless (except perhaps as a fancy sidestand :drunken: ).

The concept wasn't unique their have been a number of similar concept designs including one by Flexit (who claim the first patents in 1977). There is even a version with two sidecars one on each side (https://thekneeslider.com/wallick-lean- ... decar-rig/). This also seems to have a small wheel on either side... can't really see why... which would make it a six wheeled motorcycle combination... maybe.

Sidewinders still appear on sale occasionally if anyone wants to experiment.

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Re: Do you remember these

Postby Mjolinor » Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:03 am

It does tend to blur the boundary lines that dictate what a vehicle is.

Like the three wheeled Peugeot with two front wheels, I believe that is still classed as a two wheeler presumably because the distance between the front wheels is under some defined distance.

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Re: Do you remember these

Postby CharlieVictor » Sun Nov 03, 2019 3:05 pm

Or isnt it the lack of enclosure for the operator? The BMW C1 was a two wheeler but no helmet needed as the "driver" was strapped with a safety belt and enclosed in the vehicle.
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Postby milleplod » Sun Nov 03, 2019 3:37 pm

Or isnt it the lack of enclosure for the operator? The BMW C1 was a two wheeler but no helmet needed as the "driver" was strapped with a safety belt and enclosed in the vehicle.
That may have been the case on the continent, but here in Blighty a helmet was required.

The Sidewinder fell into the old definition of a sidecar simply because it was 'capable of carrying a load', and 'load' was never defined in the legislation. It became obsolete when the law regarding sidecars was changed.

A mate turned up at our house one day with one fitted to his brand new FJ1100 in around '84 I think....'L' plates proudly displayed....

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Re: Do you remember these

Postby Richard(Sande)Sanders » Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:18 pm

I had one on a 400 superdream. It would take a small load strapped to it, all the cones
for the part 1 test on one occasion. It handled quite well to be honest, up to & above
the speed limit. They did not like pot holes or large bumps, due to low weight allowing
them to bounce easily. The 400 was a far better machine than a 125 for the ride between
Portsmouth & Colchester each weekend. I gave it to a mate who put it on a Kawasaki Z550.
They didn't work as a sidestand, as the lad found out, as we watched his bike fall over after
forgetting to put the stand down, & yes we did try to warn as he got off & walked towards
us.

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Re: Do you remember these

Postby andys » Sun Nov 03, 2019 6:20 pm

I would imagine it would have been easy to forget it was there and end up clipping a parked car or something

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Re: Do you remember these

Postby Richard(Sande)Sanders » Sun Nov 03, 2019 6:46 pm

I never had a problem with the width, even through London on a Friday
afternoon. Being a learner had it's drawbacks when traveling longer distances :lol:

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Re: Do you remember these

Postby DEEP DIVER » Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:38 am

There was one fitted to a Kawa 900 in Ipswich. :shock:
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