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Elm Trees

Postby boxerman » Fri May 18, 2018 9:31 am

It's good to see. My many Elm trees are in full bloom and covered in Keys. Sadly, I think most are Wych Elm rather than English but the White Hairstreak caterpillars are chomping away anyway..
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Re: Elm Trees

Postby DEEP DIVER » Fri May 18, 2018 11:07 am

Just a quick one Phil. Have you any birch trees as they may have truffles growing around the roots. Also oaks, beech, hazels or poplars.
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Re: Elm Trees

Postby boxerman » Fri May 18, 2018 11:12 am

Yeah, plenty of Birch, oak and beech. It is something I've thought of and the best sign that they're there is animals have been digging there - no sign of anything as yet tho I may have a few explorations later in the year.

Also thinking of trying tapping a few Birch next spring.
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Re: Elm Trees

Postby DEEP DIVER » Fri May 18, 2018 11:18 am

You can get the spores online and seed the trees. That way you can make your land work for you and sell them on.
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Postby Jon S » Fri May 18, 2018 9:25 pm

All this tree-hugger stuff is great, I too like trees as they provide homes for all kinds of birds, insects etc, shade on sunny days and store huge amounts of water so reducing potential flooding etc. O:)
BUT, for use poor bergers who suffer from the effects of tree pollen entering the nasal passages and eye holes, (sneezing, itchy eyes, general buggeredupness, etc) from all all these feking trees the government should be forced to issue health warnings and the EUSSR should prosecute any country that fails to meet international standards on pollution etc as well as insisting all trees especially birch, beech and chestnut are banned from releasing pollen :grin:
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Postby boxerman » Fri May 18, 2018 9:42 pm

:shock: :grin:

Fortunately that's one thing I don't suffer from. I wouldn't be a happy bunny to find I did suffer after finally achieving a 50 year old dream to own a wood...
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Re: Elm Trees

Postby Galactic Greyhound » Fri May 18, 2018 10:41 pm

I sympathise JonS.

I never had a problem with hayfever until I moved to Dumfries & Galloway.
It seems all the extensive woodland & grassland down here generates staggering amounts of pollen at different times between Spring and Summer.

The only remedy that works for me is the 'Beconase' Nasal Spray which I have just started to use again this year.
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Re: Elm Trees

Postby george baker » Sat May 19, 2018 10:05 am

Hi
I had a "Hay fever" problem quite a few years ago and ended up in a Honey trial for a University.

Essentially I had to eat a teaspoonful of LOCAL honey everyday most of the year but eat honeycomb, wax honey and all for a couple of months. My wife told me there was a noticeable difference during the trial (because it was so slow I am not sure but am not bothered by it now). Apparently the theory was to develop an immunity to the pollen you meet in your own district.

I still buy and eat local honey but mostly sporadically cos I dont like sweet things much.


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Re: Elm Trees

Postby DEEP DIVER » Sun May 20, 2018 1:04 pm

All this tree-hugger stuff is great, I too like trees as they provide homes for all kinds of birds, insects etc, shade on sunny days and store huge amounts of water so reducing potential flooding etc. O:)
BUT, for use poor bergers who suffer from the effects of tree pollen entering the nasal passages and eye holes, (sneezing, itchy eyes, general buggeredupness, etc) from all all these feking trees the government should be forced to issue health warnings and the EUSSR should prosecute any country that fails to meet international standards on pollution etc as well as insisting all trees especially birch, beech and chestnut are banned from releasing pollen :grin:
(Achoo, sniff,sniff, snort, snivel) :cry:
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Re: Elm Trees

Postby boxerman » Mon May 21, 2018 10:43 pm

Well, we had an hour twos 'Elm hunt' the other day - all are being marked with a white spot for later ID - I've been staggerd at just how many I have! OK, many are just young saplings and I'm not sure there's any that would be classed as mature but there are a few that would be 25 - 30 years old. Lost track of the count but so far it has to be +30 and I'm pretty sure that there's a mix of both Wych Elm and English Elm.

The other good news is that on the frontage that showed signs of Chalara last year only 3 out of 25 - 30 Ash have so far succumbed. All were small saplings but everything else looks healthy but I'm keeping a very close eye on my mature specimens - the oldest of those is around 70 years and maybe 80 foot tall and I'd hate to lose that one.
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Postby Memphis Twin » Tue May 22, 2018 9:52 am

Crikey! I have a couple of those in my garden, and the hillside in Matlock Bath, where I live, is covered with them. I thought they were hop hornbeams, until I saw your post and did some further investigation. I never considered that they may be elm trees because I thought that they'd all been wiped out by Dutch Elm Disease.

Now I feel rather guilty about cutting one down (a small self-seeded one) last year!

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Postby boxerman » Tue May 22, 2018 10:58 pm

No, they were a long way from wiped out but Dutch Elm disease did devastate the majority of mature Elms that once dominated our landscape. There are still a few mature ones surviving but not many.

I can't claim to understand the technicalities of it but it goes something like this: DED is transmitted by the Birch Bark beetle which burrows under the bark and passes on the disease BUT it requires a certain size of tree for it to be worthwhile. The saving grace is that, generally, the beetle flies at around 25 feet so most below that height escape detection. This is why the majority of existing Elm are either small or little more than a bush. Standard practice these days is to coppice anything close to that height i.e. cut it down and let it regrow - something they are very good at.

There are various species of Elm and English are the most vulnerable because they genearally propogate via suckers - tho they do produce Keys they rarely propagate via that route and that is their weakness because each is a clone of the last one so there's little genetic difference. The majority that you'll find still in existance will be Wych Elm which are actually the only true native.

There are ongoing trials in attempts to produce resistant ones but I think the jury is still out on that one.

If this post has awakened the knowledge and interest in identifying them then my work here is done... :grin:
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Postby DEEP DIVER » Wed May 23, 2018 10:51 am

One thing you don't want to do with a cut down elm tree, use it for fire wood. They don't burn well and give off little heat.
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Re: Elm Trees

Postby mike pace » Thu May 24, 2018 9:57 pm

A beautiful mature elm has succumbed in the last year close to where I live. Big loss. In the late 70 and 80s I had a business taking down dead and dying elms. They are my favourite tree. Typically they get to about 15 years or so old then succumb.

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Postby boxerman » Thu May 24, 2018 10:18 pm

I have a handful that I think are around 25 years but nothing resembling mature. Now I've got my eye in on ID'ing Elm I'm finding new ones most days tho most are fairly young. As best I can tell, the majority are Wych Elm but I'm pretty sure that there are some English judging from the leaves (much smaller and with far fewer veins). When I finish ID'ing and marking them I will spend a day logging and counting but my pure guess would be that I have 50 - 60 of varying age around so they are a long way from extinct yet.
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Postby boxerman » Thu May 24, 2018 10:26 pm

One thing you don't want to do with a cut down elm tree, use it for fire wood. They don't burn well and give off little heat.
Maybe not but they were a staple wood for drainage/water pipes etc and are a bloody good hardwood with many uses because of their strength. I have one that's maybe 15 years old and bent almost into a U shape that's supporting a 60 odd foot fallen Pine - there's no sign of spitting or breaking whatsoever. Sadly, it will give up at some point unless I can devise a way to winch the pine off it.
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Postby Rob Frankhamr » Fri May 25, 2018 8:34 am

In case you're interested, the RHS are doing a survey on elm trees in the UK... trying to make a log of all surviving trees.

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Postby boxerman » Fri May 25, 2018 8:50 am

Thanks, Rob. Wasn't aware of that and will look into it.
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Postby P-K » Fri May 25, 2018 9:46 am

trying to make a log of all surviving trees.
No doubt they'll put the results in a Log Book ......
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Postby DEEP DIVER » Fri May 25, 2018 4:09 pm

trying to make a log of all surviving trees.
No doubt they'll put the results in a Log Book ......
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Phil is there any way you can cut down the pine tree in sections at a time.
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Postby boxerman » Fri May 25, 2018 6:15 pm

That'd be way be beyond my abilities but I'm not sure even an expert would risk it that way simply because I see no way to predict what would happen when the weight shifted. It's difficult to describe but it's not attached to the root plate and the Elm it's sitting on is under so much tension I wouldn't want to be anywhere near...
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Postby mike pace » Sat May 26, 2018 2:14 pm

Most accidents in tree felling come from similar situations where the under tree springs up. You could tether it before tackling the pinea section at a time.

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Postby boxerman » Sat May 26, 2018 11:23 pm

I think the only way I'd dare to tackle it myself would be with a good winch to try and drag it off but I'd need to buy a good winch first as it needs a little more than my 'come along'. Time has taught me that knowing your limits is a valuable lesson - I wouldn't want to be closer than 50 feet when that started to move.
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Re: Elm Trees

Postby Lolo » Sat Jun 09, 2018 7:19 pm

:shock: :grin:

Fortunately that's one thing I don't suffer from. I wouldn't be a happy bunny to find I did suffer after finally achieving a 50 year old dream to own a wood...
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Re: Elm Trees

Postby boxerman » Mon Jun 11, 2018 5:55 pm

Two days away from your place and not a trace of sneezing.
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