Good Advice About Buying a Classic Car

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Good Advice About Buying a Classic Car

Postby CharlieVictor » Sat Nov 02, 2019 9:50 pm

The "do your research" part applies to motorbikes as well.. I'm always amazed to read comments on forums or FB groups from people who "blindly" bought "a BMW Airhead" without even knowing the difference between Series...
And the research part is also part of the fun ! =D>

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Re: Good Advice About Buying a Classic Car

Postby Mjolinor » Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:44 pm

I bought blind knowing absolutely nothing including not knowing what an Airhead was.

No regrets. :)

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Re: Good Advice About Buying a Classic Car

Postby andys » Sun Nov 03, 2019 12:22 am

I was reminded how important this is quite recently.
A friend asked me to go look at a 250 Superdream deluxe.
Having owned one I was the right person to take.
The deluxe model was distinguishable from the standard bike because it had a sculpted tank and tailpiece, and reverse comstar wheels.
This bike had none of these but it did have what looked like a genuine Honda deluxe sticker on one of the side panels (should have been both sides)
The seller looked totally perplexed and I think he genuinely believed it was the deluxe model.
Its these little details that only someone with expert knowledge and, or experience would know about.

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Re: Good Advice About Buying a Classic Car

Postby Rob Frankhamr » Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:12 am

I owned one once... but it wouldn't make me a good person to take on a purchase visit. In fact I wouldn't need to go. My advice, unseen, would be 'Don't go there'.

I think it was the worst bike I ever owned... certainly the most boring. Totally gutless (and that from someone who has owned a R45N) and no character at all. It's only good point was that it took me too and from work for a couple of years. I don't think I ever rode it for pleasure... or got any pleasure from riding it. One of the few bikes I ever owned that I have never regretted selling.

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Re: Good Advice About Buying a Classic Car

Postby andys » Sun Nov 03, 2019 12:03 pm

I loved mine.
I had no idea how bad it was because it was only my second bike and all I had by way of comparison was my previous Kawasaki KC100 so the 250N felt like a rippling powerhouse.
I added a Rickman tempest fairing which just ruined everything.

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Re: Good Advice About Buying a Classic Car

Postby windmill john » Sun Nov 03, 2019 3:47 pm

My brother rode his Superdream into the ground.

With bikes, it depends what it is if I bought it unseen.

Without a garage, there are bikes I’d never buy. Some bikes you can’t get parts for, so needs to be seen.

Now owning a Bullet, I would definitely buy one unseen. The reason... parts for royal Enfield make BMW spares look unobtanium.
You can get anything..... and I mean anything for Royal Enfield, virtually every year, ever.
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Sold my Airheads, what an idiot, but Honda is also great.
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Re: Good Advice About Buying a Classic Car

Postby CharlieVictor » Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:23 pm

Now owning a Bullet, I would definitely buy one unseen. The reason... parts for royal Enfield make BMW spares look unobtanium.
You can get anything..... and I mean anything for Royal Enfield, virtually every year, ever.
Parts are a small aspect of the issue John. How do you know the bike you are being sold has not been badly repaired after an accident and is not roadworthy? It could even happen to a Bullet ! :grin:

When I was searching for an airhead in 2014, one I checked was pretty good looking. Said to be a 1982 RT sans fairing. The first thing that triggered a red light was the seller talking not stop and providing a flow of useless information I wasn't asking for.

When I asked to test ride the bike he sounded a bit reluctant, but I made clear that no test ride meant the end of the conversation. The bike felt weird the minute I took off. It wouldn't bank in curves, I had to force it to lean... very disconcerting.
When I got back a few minutes later, I said thank you but no thank you and moved on. My buddy who had come with me (we had three bikes to check) told me afterwards the bike rode slightly sideways, the wheels not aligned. Bodged repair on the frame most likely.

And there was only one way to know.
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Re: Good Advice About Buying a Classic Car

Postby windmill john » Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:04 am

True CV. But for me, depending on the bike, cost etc. one could fix anything being a bike... to a point.

A buggered frame..... well easier to do on a Bullet, wouldn’t fancy it on an R1100S. I’d lose half the wiring and the other half would be badly routed and connected incorrectly!

I would never do this with a car.... well in my position anyway.
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Re: Good Advice About Buying a Classic Car

Postby andys » Thu Nov 07, 2019 1:10 am


The bike felt weird the minute I took off. It wouldn't bank in curves, I had to force it to lean... very disconcerting.
I had exactly the same with a K1100RS.
I bought it privately, and the bike was so mint I didn't even bother with a test ride.
I just thought what could possibly be wrong with that, but as soon as I turned right at the bottom of the sellers drive, I knew something was very wrong.
Just like your bike it wouldn't turn in.
Quite scary.
It just wanted to go straight on in the corners and there was a weird twisting sensation in the bars when I forced it over.
I took it to my bmw dealer and asked one of the mechanics to ride it.
He came back 10 minutes later and rode it straight into the workshop.
30 minutes later I saw him ride off on it again.
When he returned he gave me the keys and said try it now.
It was like a different bike.
Turns out the forks were slightly twisted in the yokes.
Apparently quite common when a bike is strapped down clumsily when being transported.
I don't know how he sorted it but afterwards it cornered beautifully.
If I'd test ridden it I'd have walked away as it was before.
The dealer didn't even charge me, which was nice.
Then a few months later while accelerating up a slip road to join the motorway, the engine went bang and that was that.
Oh well
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Re: Good Advice About Buying a Classic Car

Postby windmill john » Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:53 am

Hope you don’t think I’m being rude Andy, might just have been a slightly deflated rear tyre.
When I private’s picked up my R1100RS it would not turn or lean. Tyres looked okay, but rear down to 20 something.
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Bumble, my 700 Transalp.
Gupta, my 350 Bullet.
Sundance, my 500T.
Sold my Airheads, what an idiot, but Honda is also great.
Too many bikes have come and gone, trying to be sensible now!

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Re: Good Advice About Buying a Classic Car

Postby Mjolinor » Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:18 am

Tyre will affect left and right. Twisted forks or frame usually affect one way negatively and the other positively.

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Re: Good Advice About Buying a Classic Car

Postby Rob Frankhamr » Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:02 am

I would suggest he simply loosened the fok clamps and bounced the front suspension up and down a few times. This is the classic way to 'cure' a case of twisted forks. Not 100% effective but certainly good enough in most cases.

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Re: Good Advice About Buying a Classic Car

Postby andys » Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:36 pm

Hope you don’t think I’m being rude Andy, might just have been a slightly deflated rear tyre.
When I private’s picked up my R1100RS it would not turn or lean. Tyres looked okay, but rear down to 20 something.
That was the first thing I checked on the way home after picking it up.
They were about right give or take a few psi.
I have heard that an over tightened headstock can have the same effect.

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Re: Good Advice About Buying a Classic Car

Postby george baker » Thu Nov 07, 2019 8:53 pm

Hi
I tried an 850R would not steer one side, low rear tyre pressure. I told the dealer and asked for it cheap. His mechanic sorted it
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