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I have to ask

Postby andys » Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:02 pm

Now that the vaccine has been announced, are you going to try and get ahead in the queue for it?

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Re: I have to ask

Postby Rob Frankhamr » Mon Nov 16, 2020 11:11 pm

No, I'll wait my turn... I'm sure there are a lot of people who are going to suddenly become vulnerable or in an essential occupation to jump the gun.

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Re: I have to ask

Postby Jaythro » Mon Nov 16, 2020 11:20 pm

in reality its a bit like buying a new model BMW

best wait 6 months for BM to fine tune out "Issues"
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Re: I have to ask

Postby gogs01 » Mon Nov 16, 2020 11:37 pm

I've volunteered to be a guinea pig for the vaccine to be trialled in Tayside and Fife. Really !
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Re: I have to ask

Postby Mjolinor » Mon Nov 16, 2020 11:49 pm

Pretty sure I would qualify for an early one but I am also pretty sure I don't want it until lots of people haven't developed complications.

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Re: I have to ask

Postby windmill john » Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:02 am

Well I am surprised at how quickly you’d be happy to try a new vaccine. I’ll keep my thoughts to myself further than that.

Of course if I were dying in bed, then I’d probably try anything.
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Re: I have to ask

Postby Rob Frankhamr » Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:51 am

In a way, it's irrelevant who gets vaccinated first, it's the number of people who are vaccinated that's most important. In fact, I could construct a case for vaccinating 16 to 30 year olds first and elderly people last.

Whatever you think, it isn't going to make any real difference to the situation for several months after introduction however they are distributed.

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Re: I have to ask

Postby Jaythro » Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:13 am

True Rob Whilst my quip above was meant to be humorous

You are correct If humanity had actually managed to sit on its backside for 14 days and not go out

Very likely it could have fizzled out altogether But Humans aren;t very good at being told what to do

But yes Younger ones first so they stop transporting it amongst people! and on to those who have isolated

One hopes it is as effective as they say
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Re: I have to ask

Postby Mjolinor » Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:16 am

Without doubt start at the young end and stop when the virus is controlled. Young people are much more able to cope with any problems and if they do not do the young then they cannot stop. Young first and it is likely old damaged gits like me will not need it.

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Re: I have to ask

Postby windmill john » Tue Nov 17, 2020 12:50 pm

So, Boris had Covid a while back…
Now he self isolating because of a meeting he attended...

So, will this carry on forever then! If you get it, but then get notified again via Track and Trace, I feel a game of ping pong going on forever!
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Re: I have to ask

Postby andys » Tue Nov 17, 2020 1:03 pm

For me what's relevant is that it normally takes between 10-20 years to develop a vaccine.
This one is ready in a matter of months.
This isn't a pill that you'll naturally excrete over time.
This goes into the bloodstream and stays with you for the rest of your life.
Once done there is no turning back.

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Re: I have to ask

Postby windmill john » Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:43 pm

I'm with you Andy for a different reason; maybe the same.

I have a great skill. That great skill is getting side effects from medicines. Enough so, that I really have to think hard about anything I take.

I won't go into specifics except one, for some other reason gave me Bell's palsy style symptoms. Stopped the meds and back to normal straight away. And before you say it, my normal :roll:
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Re: I have to ask

Postby Tony the Skin » Wed Nov 18, 2020 1:23 am

I've volunteered to be a guinea pig for the vaccine to be trialled in Tayside and Fife. Really !

Me too but not called yet. Apparently it's out of your system within days but prepares the defences. My year at school was the last intake to get polio. We owe vaccines a lot.
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Re: I have to ask

Postby Mjolinor » Wed Nov 18, 2020 5:31 am

A bullet does that. Can b in and out in half a second it is what is left behind that does the damage. :)

No thanks, not yet.

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Re: I have to ask

Postby andys » Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:41 am

A bullet does that. Can b in and out in half a second it is what is left behind that does the damage. :)

No thanks, not yet.
Why do they need to advertise for volunteers.
There's a huge army of NHS workers who with their knowledge, ethnic diversity and expertise should be the ideal candidates for vaccine trials.
You'd think they would be chomping at the bit to do their bit for medical research.

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Re: I have to ask

Postby Mjolinor » Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:48 am

That would not be an "average" cross section of society in general. It may be a good cross section of types of people but they need every type of person in every type of job with every type of susceptibility.

Note: They don't need me. :)

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Re: I have to ask

Postby andys » Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:10 pm

There are numerous job roles within the NHS including office, driving, security and manual labour.
I bought this up because I put it to a friend of mine who's a nurse who's exact words were "no chance"

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Re: I have to ask

Postby Mjolinor » Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:12 pm

There are numerous job roles within the NHS including office, driving, security and manual labour.
I bought this up because I put it to a friend of mine who's a nurse who's exact words were "no chance"
There speaks someone with prior knowledge.

You do not hear much about testing gone wrong but there are lots of severe problems caused by it. All kept as quiet as possible.

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Re: I have to ask

Postby andys » Wed Nov 18, 2020 2:49 pm

It's a conundrum. Without willing human volunteers there would be no vaccines at all.
Medical science has done amazing things over the decades.
My issue here is that vaccines have normally gone through years of developments and tests before human testing which is the last stage.
Here we have a vaccine that's reached that stage in well under a year and now they want to give it to us.
We all become lab rats.

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Re: I have to ask

Postby Rob Frankhamr » Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:07 pm

A bullet does that. Can b in and out in half a second it is what is left behind that does the damage. :)

No thanks, not yet.
Why do they need to advertise for volunteers.
There's a huge army of NHS workers who with their knowledge, ethnic diversity and expertise should be the ideal candidates for vaccine trials.
You'd think they would be chomping at the bit to do their bit for medical research.
Many of them al;ready have been... This isn't the first set of trials, just the first set they are telling you about. Anyway, you'll find that a lot of NHS workers (far more that they're telling you about) have already had the disease so the results wouldn't be particularly useful.

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Re: I have to ask

Postby andys » Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:10 pm


Many of them al;ready have been... This isn't the first set of trials,
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Could you elaborate on that

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Re: I have to ask

Postby Rob Frankhamr » Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:49 am


Many of them al;ready have been... This isn't the first set of trials,
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Could you elaborate on that
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Re: I have to ask

Postby andys » Fri Nov 20, 2020 12:08 am

Hmmmm
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Re: I have to ask

Postby Rob Frankhamr » Sat Nov 21, 2020 12:08 pm

Hmmmm
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OK, I'll rephrase that.... I could, but I'm not going to. If you choose to disbelieve, it's up to you...

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Re: I have to ask

Postby Mjolinor » Sat Nov 21, 2020 12:43 pm

All of the three front runners have already had BIG human trials involving multiple thousands "customers".


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