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Ireland Rally 2016

Postby boxerman » Thu Oct 22, 2015 9:49 pm

OK, now this years Killala event is over it's time for me to start thinking of the 2016 event.

I am, of course, working on the assumption that the committee will want to run the event again and it will be discussed with them in due course but for next year I do have some considerations that need taking into account:

1) This year, numbers were about 50% down on normal. This has been a staple event of the club since the beginning (this was the ninth) the problem is that I don't know if this was just a one off hiccough or if folk are tired of the event. I really do need input on this from those who have attended in the past or intend to in the future because if this had been anywhere but Killala the club would have lost a fair amount on this event.

2) Location: as those who regularly attend will be aware, we alternate Killala with different venues so next years will be elsewhere. There aren't many places left that can cater for the normal numbers - tho there are many cottage complexes enquiries regularly show that a number of cottages have been sold for private use or are let for the winter to fishermen and this seriously restricts the options (at sensible prices) for the event. My current thinking is to return for next year to either Renvyle http://www.irishcottageholidays.com/acc ... d_Cottages or Ballyvaughan http://www.rentacottage.ie/holiday-home ... aughan.htm - both were good venues that folk liked. I could use some input and views on this.

3) Numbers: the drop in numbers attending this year will have major impact on next years event. Any place other than Killala requires payment up front for the accommodation so the system relies on me estimating the likely number of beds that I can fill - normally I will book between 28 - 30 beds with a fair confidence that I'll be able to fill most and come close to breaking even on cost - my current feeling is that next year I will limit that to around 20 beds to minimise possible losses. On normal booking figures this will leave late bookers out in the cold - it's a route that I hate to go but I also dislike the idea of an event that I organise losing the club large amounts of money.

Coud use views and suggestions on this event from those so inclined.
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Re: Ireland Rally 2016

Postby fastdonkey » Fri Oct 23, 2015 11:01 pm

Phil,
Both of the proposed venues would give me less distance to cover but neither Sheila or myself would be bothered which accommodation we used. In fact we would both be quite happy going back to Killala, especially as Liz is flexible and accommodating towards the club. Also as it turned out I never did get to Achill Is. this year, and so it remains on the to do list.
In any event I have put memo on calendar!
Thanks again Phil for organising this year.
Good to see everyone again and it was brave of Podraic to press the Kawasaki into service at such short notice!!
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Re: Ireland Rally 2016

Postby george baker » Sun Nov 08, 2015 1:22 pm

Hi
I think the idea of the Ireland Rally is good and support it but have never attended.

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Re: Ireland Rally 2016

Postby Zipster00 » Tue Nov 10, 2015 12:24 am

Seeing as how I live on the Island of Ireland, this would a good opportunity for me to get to meet some other forum members but I am pretty heavily committed during 2016 so would need an idea of dates well in advance in order to plan.
Please keep me in mind.
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Re: Ireland Rally 2016

Postby boxerman » Tue Nov 10, 2015 9:52 am

It's normally the third weekend in October
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Re: Ireland Rally 2016

Postby P-K » Wed Nov 18, 2015 3:19 pm

OK Folks, about time I gave my two pennyworth about the Ireland weekend.

I've been twice in 2013 (Killala) and 2014 (Renvyle) but couldn't make it this year.
However, even though I've enjoyed the two trips I've done, I'd have to give serious thought to if I'd go in 2016.

Let me say why.
Although the cottages themselves are as cheap as chips, it isn't a cheap weekend.
Darlington (Where I live) is 240 miles from Hollyhead. After the ferry, Dublin is 180 miles from Renvyle
Add to that I'll do approx 100 miles on each of the 2 full days over there, and that makes 1,040 miles, which on my R1200GS would cost £102

The Ferry last year was £100
2 nights in stinky Hollyhead is £60 if you get organised and book early, and £80 (£39.50 per night) if you leave it late.
Add £50 for the cottages and its £332 before food and Guinness.

Now even that isn't too bad, but when you then think about the weather in West Ireland in late October, it ends up (IMHO) as poor value for money.
If you all remember, in 2013 it was very wet indeed (and cold) and in 2014 it was blowing a gale (and cold)

I don 't want to be too negative, and I do have a suggestion :-
I'd be more that willing to pay more for the cottages, if we could bring the weekend forwards by a month and go there in mid September.
The schools have all gone back, so the ferry would be a similar price, but we would have a higher probability of better weather, and more daylight.

I welcome comments on my lengthy post.
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Re: Ireland Rally 2016

Postby george baker » Wed Nov 18, 2015 4:34 pm

Hi
I think moving it by a month should improve the weather but the cost is my main personal problem. I dont have that much money to spend on a weedend. But for people who dont need the ferry and Holyhead then ...........

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Re: Ireland Rally 2016

Postby boxerman » Wed Nov 18, 2015 11:09 pm

Thanks for the views so far, folks. Please do keep them coming because decisions will be made shortly after Xmas.

I particularly appreciate PK's views on this and I've had a quick look at the possibilities of this tho I have to admit that I'd be reluctant to move from the traditional date for the event especially as it could potentially mean I wouldn't be able to go as that would be the period that I sometimes get out to the US.

Phil is right that ferry prices (and presumably Travel Lodge costs) would be similar. It would also considerably increase the cottage costs but I have discovered one major flaw that would make the idea unworkable unless we totally change the format of the rally and make it a week long event. As far as I can figure, Sept is still outside of low season and cottages are only let out as full weeks and no-one offers weekends (can understand why as it would mean taking only a weekends rent and then having the cottages empty for the rest of the week).
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Re: Ireland Rally 2016

Postby Rugbycoach » Fri Nov 20, 2015 12:52 pm

For the last few events I have attended I have been able to extend the trip and take in more of Ireland usually doing the Northern parts. This makes the trip more cost effective for me. I did do Ring of Kerry one year with STRider and will be looking to do the south again some time. It can rain anytime in our country so that does not worry me. I think the cottage costs are reasonable and make the weekend good value. I would balk at a significant increase. Renvyle property for me was a bit cramped but a great location 2mins from food and drink of the highest standard. The timing at present is Ok as it fits in with the school half terms so I can give my part time work a miss.
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Re: Ireland Rally 2016

Postby Lolo » Fri Nov 20, 2015 3:29 pm

I have loved the Ireland event It is a great way to meet folks and ride some beautiful countryside. Even for me, who loves a long ride it is a long way just for a weekend. Perhaps lengthen it to a long weekend? Its true the weather can be bad but when I have been some years its been sunshine and others stormy its the luck of the Irish weather really, I dont think moving it will make much of a difference but September might be a good time for empty cottages with all the families going back to work and school. As Rugbycoach has said I always used the weekend as a stepping stone to continue the week touring Ireland. Maybe a stay on the eastern side will give a chance for people to see a little more of the touristy Ireland and see some other sites? It would be a shame to loose the Ireland event.
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