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K100 /1100 Streetfighter update

Postby beachcomber » Wed Oct 26, 2011 10:03 am

Following on from the recent discussion re: RAM shox / advertising, I thought I'd post an update on progress [ very slow ] of my Kay Streetfighter - which is what sparked the RAM shocker development.

Ill health during 2010 / early 2011 meant not a lot happening on the project front - then this year was taken with development work on the Oilhead reverse Trike project. BTW - the main reason for developing this one is so that when my arthritic knee dictates no more solo riding [ 3-5 years? ] I can still get out in the fresh air. Originally this project was based around the Kay CDS [ natch ], but the Oilhead layout proved more practical, and I suppose in reality loads more Oilheads around now at reasonable money.

During that time various other parts have been developed for my Kay - hi-po plug leads, exhaust, progressive front springs.

The reverse Trike is now in production phase, meaning my development work is virtually at an end and I can leave the making of moulds , jigs etc. to my pal at Realm Engineering - I can get back to the Fighter - oh yes , and another little diversion - a Yamaha TR1 V twin Cafe Racer. [-X

The part that so far has caused me the most grief is the front wheel spindle !! ](*,) After 2 non starts and wasted time [ 7 months ] due to suppliers not coming through, I finally went to Phil Denton Engineering - whose main activity is reproducing OEM Japanese bike wheel and swing arm spindles. One week later and - spanking new spindle !

Attached is a pic to show what needs doing if anyone wants to fit the K1200 or R1100 5 spoke wheels. The rear wheel goes straight on, and although I don't have clearance issues with exhaust or stand - there's several people done this with otherwise stock [ K1100 ] bikes. I'm sure the stand would have to be modified if you fit the S version of the wheel.
The K1100 fork swap into the K100 is straightforward and gives you 4 pot braking as a bonus.

The spindle also forms the spacer [ l/h in pic ], then a tube shim is required on the r/h side as the new spindle bearing size is 5mm smaller [ 20mm vs 25mm ]. That just leaves the r/h spacer, which in OEM form is a soft alloy, which on the 3 bikes I've stripped - have seen better days [ all less than 30K miles ]. So when I've determined the new length for the spacer , I'll have that made in the same grade of stainless steel. BTW - you can't just simply use a K1200 spindle !!!!!!!

That just leaves the forks to be swapped over and I can then complete the detailing and fitting of the GRP panels - then it's paint and hopefully, on the road next Spring - only taken 7 years ....... :-" :-" :-"

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Re: K100 /1100 Streetfighter update

Postby GARAGE HERMIT » Sat Oct 29, 2011 9:54 pm

glad your feeling a bit better,,

had 2- tr1's, years ago, nice engine's, biggest main bearing's i've ever seen on a bike, frame geometry seem's a bit off to me, not enough rake on the neck, made them feel a bit twitchy,

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Re: K100 /1100 Streetfighter update

Postby beachcomber » Sun Oct 30, 2011 12:32 pm

Hi Hermit,

good to hear from you - thanx for the kind thoughts. :wink:

Don't get old mate !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ah well, the wonders of modern medication.

Yes, the TR1 and the Oilhead Reverse Trike are deflecting me from getting the Kay Fighter completed, but to be honest it's not been the best of years to get anything done :-({|= :-({|= .
Determined now to have a blast. One of my problems is I have no "build buddy" - nobody to give me a quick kick up the 'arris and say- "get on with it". :roll: Also, since I retired from my business, I no longer have either space or facilities to do stuff in house. Hence the front wheel spindle saga.

I'm attacking the frame geometry as you suggest - not the best in OEM format. They got themselves [ IMO ] in a tizzy as to exactly what the bike was supposed to be ! Cruiser? Sports Tourer? When they went to the Virago in '84 it was much more defined as a Cruiser.

So, what's my solution?

Shorten the wheelbase by moving the rear wheel spindle forward by 1 1/2" - raising the forks in the yokes by 1". The whole bike is going on a diet and with some minor engine mods - I'm aiming for a bike that won't be a rocketship, but hopefully not a slug either.

Either way by this Summer I want the Kay finished and funds allowing - the TR1 Cafe Racer on the road.
Here's the TR1 in early mock up.

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Re: K100 /1100 Streetfighter update

Postby george baker » Tue Nov 01, 2011 10:39 pm

Hi
I always thought they should have done the TR1 with the xv750 shaft.

When are you going to put pictures of the trike on here?

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Re: K100 /1100 Streetfighter update

Postby GARAGE HERMIT » Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:40 pm

beachcomber, TR1 eye candy,, or probably XV's, but they're nearly the same,

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Re: K100 /1100 Streetfighter update

Postby george baker » Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:29 pm

Hi
I always thought they would make a "NorVin" -- Lets see, frame from a single RS250, MZ, XBR500, mated to XV750 engine/ box/ shaft, High wide bars like the white one, replica british seat and tank, twin disk front end from ???, BIG Speedo

"eye candy" more like Bike porn

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Re: K100 /1100 Streetfighter update

Postby beachcomber » Thu Dec 01, 2011 4:25 pm

George - you been reading my mind !!!

The bike pictured in mock up is the one I'm building for my pal - I can't afford 4LS Grimeca front hubs / brakes !

However, he has always had a thing for Vinnies and that's the style we're going after with his. All gloss black engine, siamese pipes on right hand side and Black / gold paintork pinstriping. He's just given me one of his C Type Jag speedos [5" casing ] to put the TR1 guts into.

Mine will be more of a bargain basement job - twin discs, alloy rims, stainless spokes. And it has to be RED ! I'm modding the OEM tank to look like an AJS 7R 6 gallon Manx tank and with amatching 7R seat. I want the finished article to scream SIXTIES . \:D/

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Re: K100 /1100 Streetfighter update

Postby george baker » Thu Dec 01, 2011 5:05 pm

Hi
I want the finished article to scream SIXTIES
That's 'cos we are!

ATM, No Job, No money, No space, too many projects and I prefer riding to fettling. But if I found a cheap decent XV (So I get the shaft) I could be tempted! When the weather protection for the K and the house is sorted HONEST DEAR!

Now you have got me started on Fantasy Bike Porn
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Re: K100 /1100 Streetfighter update

Postby beachcomber » Tue Jan 03, 2012 12:57 pm

Not the best pic in the World, but especially for Dave ...............
This is the prtotype keihan

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Re: K100 /1100 Streetfighter update

Postby fantom » Tue Jan 03, 2012 2:08 pm

Fantastic work! Question - where did you get the silencer made for your (abandoned?) K100cafe racer? You seem to have a keen eye for detail and access to some talented fabricators. I look forward to seeing more of your projects.
Cheers, Dave

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Re: K100 /1100 Streetfighter update

Postby beachcomber » Tue Jan 03, 2012 6:07 pm

I've been lucky to have been involved in speciality work all my life, which has meant seeking out speciality craftsmen !

Bizarely, the silencer for the culled Cafe Racer project was made for me by the same guys that made silencers for my bikes back in the 70's !

They're still in business manufacturing period silencers and exhausts in chrome finish or stainless steel. Armours Ltd.

The silencer I had them make for me was based on the iconic Gold Star silencer. I just had the bore made the size for my needs [ 2" ] and had the mounting bracket relocated and the whole thing made in stainless steel.
Cost ? A VERY reasonable £110.

Althought the Cafe Racer is abandoned I still have the silencer ! :-k :-k

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Re: K100 /1100 Streetfighter update

Postby fantom » Wed Jan 04, 2012 12:06 am

Would you consider selling the silencer? [-o<

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Re: K100 /1100 Streetfighter update

Postby beachcomber » Wed Jan 04, 2012 10:49 am

Would you consider selling the silencer? [-o<
fantom, PM me to discuss. Worse case scenario, I can order one for you.

There is a possibility it will find it's way onto the TR1 Cafe Racer, not certain.

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Re: K100 /1100 Streetfighter update

Postby GARAGE HERMIT » Fri Feb 10, 2012 2:41 pm

beachcomber, here's a few more, for insipration,

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Re: K100 /1100 Streetfighter update

Postby george baker » Fri Feb 10, 2012 6:04 pm

Hi
the first one of those is so close to porn it should not be allowed out without a chaperon

George
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Re: K100 /1100 Streetfighter update

Postby beachcomber » Sun Feb 12, 2012 12:38 pm

I've had a stroke of luck inasmuch as a pal has had one of the renters drop out of a co-op hobby workshop. I'm in there like a shot ! Space for 4 - 5 [ ooops that's 4 to 5, NOT 45 ! typo ] bikes plus storage, FREE heat and electric, bone dry, ace welders in-house and the use of a GBFO compressor !

I should have moved in during Jan, but the injury [ over Christmas ! ] to my spleen meant any heavy lifting or pushing was out of the question. :-({|= :-({|=

I'll start moving in next week and then I can get back on track with the various projects. The Kay Fighter will be the first priority as I cannot miss another Summer's riding. :cry:

My new TR1 donor has just arrived [ 18K miles 1 owner from new ] and even has the bonus of 6 months MOT left on it !

That's 4 now [ 5 including my pal's ]................ :roll:

the first will be a 60's Cafe Racer [ and a twin for my pal ], and the second probably more in line with contemporary thinking of "Specials" [ NEVER Cafe Racers ! [-X ].

The 3rd. ?? I've been intrigued by the current rash of Boardtrack inspired bikes...................................

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Re: K100 /1100 Streetfighter update

Postby Galactic Greyhound » Sun Feb 12, 2012 1:10 pm

That 'Willow' bike is so graceful - I would be very happy with a bike like that - simple, easy to work on and looks like loads of fun! Incidentally, 'Willow' is the name of my current greyhound and that bike looks like the breed!

Glad you got your workspace sorted out - looking forward to more pics.
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Re: K100 /1100 Streetfighter update

Postby Lolo » Sun Feb 12, 2012 6:29 pm

Thats just so elegant and looks like its built for a beautiful summers day ride in the country side on the way to a picnic with friends :lol:
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Re: K100 /1100 Streetfighter update

Postby gogs01 » Sun Feb 12, 2012 10:32 pm

Thats just so elegant and looks like its built for a beautiful summers day ride in the country side on the way to a picnic with friends
I won't disagree about it being elegant, but our imaginations are obviously very different - I see a rough running, noisy, open-chain device with a riding position to suit the Maquis de Sade. Great fun for a careful ride on a smooth road, otherwise put it on a plinth and admire the elegance..... :smile:
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Re: K100 /1100 Streetfighter update

Postby beachcomber » Mon Feb 13, 2012 1:43 pm

Thats just so elegant and looks like its built for a beautiful summers day ride in the country side on the way to a picnic with friends
I won't disagree about it being elegant, but our imaginations are obviously very different - I see a rough running, noisy, open-chain device with a riding position to suit the Maquis de Sade. Great fun for a careful ride on a smooth road, otherwise put it on a plinth and admire the elegance..... :smile:

Funny that your last sentance has some resonance - the bike was recently displayed in an art gallery where it won much praise from the visitors. :lol:

There's just something about the flowing lines.

Obviously it's not going to be used for touring or any long distance stuff [ tank holds 1.5 galls ] and the word "imagination" couldn't be a truer description of the raison d'etre of the bike.

I've seen some other pix the bike with rider, and in reality it suits the owners build quite well.

I've already drawn up a chassis and details for a TR1 version - maybe. :-k

The attached pic is in no way sexist :-" - it's merely to give an idea of the scale of the bike

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Re: K100 /1100 Streetfighter update

Postby george baker » Mon Feb 13, 2012 2:19 pm

Hi TJ thanks for that it does indeed give a good impression of scale.

I don't like picture of motorcycles with people draped all over them hidding their curves. The way the scale indicator is placed is perfect cos you can see all of the bike

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Re: K100 /1100 Streetfighter update

Postby beachcomber » Tue Feb 14, 2012 4:59 pm

Hi TJ thanks for that it does indeed give a good impression of scale.

I don't like picture of motorcycles with people draped all over them hidding their curves. The way the scale indicator is placed is perfect cos you can see all of the bike

George

I thought the curves were well displayed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-" :-" :-"

Know what you mean George and totally agree. That's why I stopped buying some of my favourite bike and car mags when my girls were growing up. [-X

I've "mislaid" where I saw the owner riding the bike, but I have to say despite the fact it looks like it ought to be totally unrideable, it does in fact look quite harmonious.

As my physique is a little - errrrr larger, I will of course have to sort the ergonomics for my riding style and size.

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Re: K100 /1100 Streetfighter update

Postby Lolo » Tue Feb 14, 2012 6:39 pm

I still think its a beautiful bike :smile:

( I think she may get one or two unwelcome drafts riding in that out fit =D> :grin: )
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Re: K100 /1100 Streetfighter update

Postby beachcomber » Fri Apr 13, 2012 10:11 am

The "Willow" is definitely going ahead now. \:D/

I'll finish moving in to my new workshop space when I get back from Saxony in 2 week's [ or so ].

First job is to get the TR1 mule down to the exhaust guy [ still hasn't happened yet ! ] and move the Fighter down to the workshop. I'll work on the two main projects side by side, whilst still progressing the Scorpio trike. The Kay is the main priority as I really want to get it finished this Summer. :-k

I'm collecting all the relevant parts for the "Willow" bike and have all the main ingredients already - engine / forks / wheels / turbo / 40 DCOE Weber [ and /or maybe 2" SU ]. I've located a guy who can supply me with a replica headstock to take the TR1 forks, then it's the expensive parts - frame and tank.

Whilst it won't be a trailer Queen I do want it to be as detailed as I can make it.

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Re: K100 /1100 Streetfighter update

Postby george baker » Fri Apr 13, 2012 10:56 am

Hi
it looks like you have a good set of parts to start with
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